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by GSDNewbie on 02 June 2011 - 15:06
Is outing someone who is lieing as a breeder breeder bashing? To me breeder bashing is bashing because someone did not like the business deal they ended up with where there are two sides to the story. This is not bashing this is protecting out breed by discussing information people new to the breed will need to learn so they are informaed on what they are buying before they make that desicion and the proof are photos they are advertising with not the opinion of a person based on their particular deal with the breeder :)
This was something to come back to after spending almost 48 hours away from internet lol
This was something to come back to after spending almost 48 hours away from internet lol
by Mystere on 02 June 2011 - 16:06
No, it is NOT bashing. Telling the truth is simply that: stating the truth. This person's attempts to "defend" with links to photos that are as questionable is pointless...as well as plain stupid. Had she just left it alone, this thread would have died on its own days ago. Now, there is just so much more for a newbie doing a Google search to find. So, it has served a good purpose.
btw--AKC had a blue champion eons ago. I believe his name was actually had the word "blue" in it, along with Hobbs or Ghost (?)
The brindle was in the gsd breed long ago. No dispute about that. So was a wire-haired variety--again, long ago.
There will always be someone out there breeding "exotics" for marketing to the uninformed and/or misled. MONEY may not be the root of all evil, but it certainly is the root of all breeder-greed.
btw--AKC had a blue champion eons ago. I believe his name was actually had the word "blue" in it, along with Hobbs or Ghost (?)
The brindle was in the gsd breed long ago. No dispute about that. So was a wire-haired variety--again, long ago.
There will always be someone out there breeding "exotics" for marketing to the uninformed and/or misled. MONEY may not be the root of all evil, but it certainly is the root of all breeder-greed.
by vonissk on 02 June 2011 - 16:06
Mystere, that AKC CH blue was solid blue and a fluke--I say fluke because he had the black nose and pigmentation of a " normal" GSD. Our standard doesn't say they are disqualified, it says any dog whose nose is not solid black is a DQ.
I don't consider this breeder bashing either because she is a lier and I too think people new to the breed need to know the truth and then they can shoose to do what they wish.
I don't consider this breeder bashing either because she is a lier and I too think people new to the breed need to know the truth and then they can shoose to do what they wish.
by Wildmoor on 02 June 2011 - 21:06
The picture that Dawulf posted was probably an early Tiger believed to orignate in Southern Germany and also be the forerunner to the Australian shepherd.
http://www.altdeutschehuetehunde.de/index.php?id=21&gallerie_id=8&gallerie_titel=Tiger
One of the early shepherds shown in Germany prior to von Stephanitz was a Grey and white dog also believed to be one of this breed
by ggturner on 02 June 2011 - 21:06
There is something I'm curious about--does this breeder have her dogs OFA certified? As far as I can tell, she does not. All she mentions is DNA tests on her dogs.
by GSDNewbie on 02 June 2011 - 22:06
I do not believe any of them have had any health testing. I believe I have done enough research to have found it if it existed which is truly sad because she is a vet tech and probably could even get it at a cheaper rate.
As many pups as I have found is coming out of her kennel she truly needs inspections to make sure these dogs are cared for properly IMO
I am assuming the only reason there are DNA tests is because the AKC requires it if you breed x number of litters.
As many pups as I have found is coming out of her kennel she truly needs inspections to make sure these dogs are cared for properly IMO
I am assuming the only reason there are DNA tests is because the AKC requires it if you breed x number of litters.
by ggturner on 03 June 2011 - 12:06
Agreed, GSDnewbie, since she says she is/was a vet tech, she ought to know how important health testing is and might be able to get a discount. If she truly cared about this breed, OFA screening should be one of her main priorities!
by Dawulf on 03 June 2011 - 15:06
Eichenluft - you may be right on that one... the picture is hard for me to see, but to me it looked like a GSD (as far as ears) with his ears back.
Wildmoor - very interesting. They look very much like Aussies. I've never heard of the breed.
While a lot of those colors can happen in any litter (blue's and livers... not so much the brindle or "piebald") I think they are pretty dogs. It would be cool to have a blue shepherd, but I wouldn't go to anyone who bred specifically for those wacky colors. If it were born in a good line and I decided that the dog fit me then I would get it.
I do hope the breeder contacts me though when the first purple one is born.
Wildmoor - very interesting. They look very much like Aussies. I've never heard of the breed.
While a lot of those colors can happen in any litter (blue's and livers... not so much the brindle or "piebald") I think they are pretty dogs. It would be cool to have a blue shepherd, but I wouldn't go to anyone who bred specifically for those wacky colors. If it were born in a good line and I decided that the dog fit me then I would get it.
I do hope the breeder contacts me though when the first purple one is born.
by Elkoorr on 03 June 2011 - 15:06
Dang, Dawulf, you beat me to that one....well Since I am a girl, I take the first pink one!
But seriously, maybe the brindle coloring is just hidden in the dark sables. Sometimes I wonder about that when I see pics of so called "thoot combs". In my last litter I had a brindle striping occuring on a girl. She didnt keep it, but it was there. Her entire look is different then the other pups of the litter, more rugged, bold, edged, huge bone. She is a late bloomer. Her ears just now came up....weeks after her siblings. But sweet sweet girl (sorry Ruger ;))
she's to the right
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But seriously, maybe the brindle coloring is just hidden in the dark sables. Sometimes I wonder about that when I see pics of so called "thoot combs". In my last litter I had a brindle striping occuring on a girl. She didnt keep it, but it was there. Her entire look is different then the other pups of the litter, more rugged, bold, edged, huge bone. She is a late bloomer. Her ears just now came up....weeks after her siblings. But sweet sweet girl (sorry Ruger ;))
she's to the right
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by Rik on 03 June 2011 - 23:06
let's just take a look at this logically. Anyone care to guess how many ten's of thousands of GSD puppies are born in just the U.S and Germany every year. In Germany every litter is inspected by a breed warden. This has been going on for how many years. Rekkon a brindle would have been noted somewhere if it had happened.
In the U.S., it would have been known and discussed, and I've been doing it 25 years and never even heard a whisper.
But lo and behold, here comes a "rare" brindle from some screwball breeder breeding piebald dogs. What a coincidence that the "rare" brindle shows up in such a place, when it has not been seen among millions of puppies that are actually known.
It does give me a little hope though. I'm doing a s/l breeding. maybe i'll get a black. Ya rekkon.
JMO,
Rik
In the U.S., it would have been known and discussed, and I've been doing it 25 years and never even heard a whisper.
But lo and behold, here comes a "rare" brindle from some screwball breeder breeding piebald dogs. What a coincidence that the "rare" brindle shows up in such a place, when it has not been seen among millions of puppies that are actually known.
It does give me a little hope though. I'm doing a s/l breeding. maybe i'll get a black. Ya rekkon.
JMO,
Rik
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