Doom Nuggets: The Cereal Killer - Page 7

 Weird thread---grow up everyone.

steve...try these if you haven't already:

European Suppliers

Nature's Menu offices in Norfolk, Bristol, Leeds and Glasgow, UK
TPMS in Redditch Worcestershire delivers to the Midlands, West Country, and Wales. 01527 510870
Landywoods Pet Food in West Midlands. 01889 577772
Laughing Dog Foodin Llangernyw Conwy, Wales. 01745 860360
Jeff's Tripe based in Afonwen, North Wales. 01352 720608 Supplies a variety of foods
Prize Choice (was AMP) the UK. 01953 883770 (Norfolk), 0117 977 5000 (Bristol), 01132 342506 (Leeds) or 01236 457627 (Scotland)
Sheepdrove Organic Farm in Berkshire, England. 01488 71659
Stuart Marshall in Littleover, Derby. 01332 347153 Turkey Necks and Lamb Bones
Derby Poultry in Ascot Drive, Derby. 01332 203800 Chicken Carcasses, Necks and Wings
Grand Poultry Unit 6 in Ibstock, Leicestershire. 01530 261306 Chicken Carcass
Westlands Poultry in Leicester. 01162 541061
Super Chick Unit 7 in Leicester. 01162 518191
Mark Unit 5 Six Hills Farm Ind Est near Loughborough. 01664 822558
Turkey Talk Pheasant Oak Farm in Balsall Common Coventry. 01676 532681
Crackley Gate Farm, Silverdale, Newcastle under Lyme. 01782 627191 Chicken Carcass
Ian K Moore Poultry Ltd Unit 26-28 in Manchester Lancashire. 0161 220 8998 Chicken Carcass
John Price & Partners Ewe Tree Farm in Wilmslow Cheshire. 01625 524363.
Steve @ S & M Butchers Tyburn Road Erdington. 0121 373 3146 Turkey Necks
Mears Butchers Walsall Road A340. 1922 413078 Chicken necks (frozen)
W.F Horsepool & Son, Poultry Dealers in Gedling, Nottingham. 01159 619 001
Price & Fretwell Ltd in Tibshelf, Derbyshire. 01773 591212. Carcasses, chicken wings, recently lamb bones
Campbells Prime Meat Ltd in Broxburn West Lothian. 01506 858585. Turkey carcasses, pigs trotters, lamb bones, oxtail and chicken carcasses
Crombies' of Edinburgh in Edinburgh Midlothian. 0131 557 0111 Chicken Carcasses
Ian Proudfoot in Edinburgh Midlothian. 0131 315 2056. Chicken Carcasses

uvw
Sorry to disappoint you but i did read the article and many like it before, as for feeding Raw i looked for ways long before you came on the scene, you have not converted me because i did not need converting
I see you have been very busy looking for suppliers over here in Europe, but if you read my posts you will see i live in Belgium not the UK and so the outlets there are of no use to me But thank you for the effort
Steve1

i received this list of european suppliers from someone, but didn't go through it line by line.  just figured i would post it in case it could help you (or anyone else on this site)

lol

uvw you said
'it's people like you who discourage raw feeding, and the only ones that suffer are the dogs with allergies, skin problems, ear infections, hypothyroidism, periodontal disease, renal failure, cancer, i can keep going, etc.'


Sorry but I fed raw for over 15 years it did not stop one of my dogs developing severe allergic reactions to meat proteins, not grains.  He was severely allergic to Turkey, Chicken, Various White Fish, Lamb, Sheep, Venison and had an intolerance to beef. His reaction to raw was quicker than to cooked or processed and the only way to describe it was his immune system would go into 'overdrive' and attack him from the inside out, I managed to maintain him on a good quality dried food (Duck/rice) for a further 2 years before he was pts. He was not and still is not the only dog that reacts severely in this way to raw meat, he was 5yrs when pts I know of others and not just GSDs that have died much younger.
I also know of dogs and had 1 myself that went on to develop splenic cancer who was weaned and raised raw.

Needless to say I now feed complete and my current dogs are healthier for it.

vaccines, medications, chemicals, pesticides, etc., all play a part.  and it's fairly rare to have a dog with such severe problems as yours (doesn't mean it's not possible, just rare).  i never said raw was a cure all, but in most cases dogs with the conditions i've listed above improve significantly.  

out of approx 45 dogs that i deal with on a regular basis, i have 1 problem dog who is allergic to everything and has severe immune system problems as well as neurological disorders (undiagnosed still).  her face and body would constantly swell up, and she would chew her feed almost to the bone.  they wanted to amputate one of her feet.  turns out, she does fantastic on turkey...the swelling is gone, and her feet are almost 100% (although they did amputate 1 toe).

also, for example, in simple issues like ear infections.  the vet has no problem labeling your dog as "prone to ear infections" or having "chronic" ear infections.  they don't mind prescribing otomax for 6, 8, 10 years.  and with every ear infection the ear canal closes up with scar tissue until the dog is practically deaf.  then the deafness is blamed on old age.  but the core cause of the ear infections was never addressed.  i actually just switched a senior dog over to raw food who has been on science diet, and then premium kibbles all his life.  he was at the vet with ear infections twice per month, and was just "a breed prone to ear infections."  well he hasn't scratched since the switch.

why keep treating the symptoms when you can just get rid of the cause?

i'm very sorry about your dog, and your loss 

uvw
How is it then if Kibble is so detrimental to Dogs and i grant you some certainly are, but if you feed a top kibble on the market as i do then there should not be any problems you describe above,
As i said i have been feeding dogs for 60 years, Never any problems at all, The youngest dog passing on at 13 to 14 years old the oldest 16 plus years old, All lived outdoors winter, summer in a Run and Kennel with the usual walking twice a day, and training
as i said in the early days 1950 the dog was fed the scrapes from our table with a Biscuit as a treat, He ate Meat cooked if he was lucky Potato, Greens various sorts, Carrots and Gravy just as we did  The breed of this Pup was a Bull Terrier + Staffy But a great dog
 Then feeding kibble with again our bits added to the dogs later on Just as it is today no change, Plus the bits i give my dogs now from my left overs There coats are A1 the eyes Shine and they are in great condition and so each dog has been over the years that passed
For me Poor coats in a Dog go with living in a human environment Winter comes you switch on the Central Heating No good for Dogs, Summer comes you change again some with Air conditioning control in there houses,
For me a Dog can live a healthy life living in Its Natural Place outdoors mine has a covered in Run a Warm Kennel. Now i would not mind adding Raw feed to that and the Dogs would be back to nature as  much as they could be, However that is not possible at this time
For interest i asked 9 People at the training club last night do you feed Raw to your Dogs, No not one, Some said they thought about it but the cost was too high others said they were not interested
There Dogs looked fine plenty of Zip and go, so it is personal preference, We cannot all do what we like in life no matter how well the intentions are
Steve1

 If you want to ask a real expert on animal nutrition, go to www.petnutritionconsulting.com which is a web site with an expert giving advice.  Dr. Susan Lauten has a master's degree in animal nutrition and a PhD in Biomedical Science.  You can email her any nutrition question and she will answer you back (takes her awhile to answer though).  She had the educational background to address nutrition issues in dogs.  

i checked out her website, and her fees range between $100-300.  consultations, nutritional information, and recipes are all about $100 per hour or per recipe.  if someone has that extra money and would like to get nutritional information, by all means go for it!  i would rather spend $300 buying pastured sheep and goat for my dogs to eat.  otherwise, he website doesn't share any insights as to what type of nutritional information you will get.  

if you're going to feed commercial dog food, there's no need to get a nutritional consultation because dog foods are already required to be "balanced" by aafco, etc., and you can find some great free information from that dog food analysis website as well as the whole dog journal.  

if you would like to prepare a home cooked diet, you can also get some free detailed information from animal nutritionists (with masters degrees) on some of the yahoo groups, including supplements, etc.  your dietary plan for your dog will just depends on which nutritionist you speak with, what they were taught, who they were taught by, and what their personal views are.  

if you would like to feed raw, there's not really a science to it.  you can feed "barf", rmb's, 80/10/10, with veggies or without, and that information can also be found for free on websites and yahoo groups.  if you need the consultation to give you that extra little push, do it.

in my personal experiences....i've been to someone with a masters degree in animal nutrition years ago.  i wanted to see what information i was missing.  i paid $100-150 for a consultation (don't remember, too long ago) and was given a hand written "custom" diet piece of paper with all the information that i already knew that is readily available online.  

just saying, you may want to look or shop around before committing to those costs and not knowing what type of information you will get.

her website says she was also on dr. marty's radio show, which i think is really cool.  for those of you who don't know dr. marty, he is martha stewart's vet (not such a great selling point), but people come from all over the country to see him and he has a very good reputation.  he practices integrative medicine, and actually does a blood test and is able to mix a custom supplement for your pet depending in what they are deficient in, having a problem with, etc.

his website is www.drmarty.com, and his food recommendations can be found here.

i have never used his services, but he is not too far from me.  i have heard some really great reviews, especially with some very sick animals, and i have never heard anything negative...so that's a good sign.

 I guess you could call me a Professional Dog feeder , seeing that i have fed Dogs for 60 years without any problems at all No health problems, no skin problems, No problems of any kind
Steve1