Photos of my 'over angulated dog'

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by Sue B on 11 May 2010 - 20:05

You sure live up to your entity Nefaria !!!! lol I presume you know the definition of the name you use here? For those that dont, including you perhaps, Nefarious - Unlawful, unjustifiable, wickededly iniquitously !! Well just about says it all I suppose but very few Nefaria's are prepared to admit it so openly!! RAOTFLMHO (excuse me while I try to stop laughing so much before I choke).
Bazza, I know you like the ladies but best keep clear of this one, otherwise she WILL have her wicked way with you but it might not be exactly what you had in mind !!! lol Best keep to the ....Wooooosshhh..........................
Regards
Sue b

by Sue B on 11 May 2010 - 20:05

By the way, your dog looks lovely Pam and absolutely no way is he over angulated by anyones stretch of the imagination. Well not anyone who knows what they are talking about and looking at that is !!!
Regards
Sue

by bazza on 12 May 2010 - 07:05

Kim, my sweet, I fully understand MY words completely, yours......well.....A steep croop, do you mean croup? Is likely to have hidden angulation here? Where's it hiding? do tell I'm never to old to learn something new, lmao.
Kim my intentions were never to worry you my dear, only to teach and increase your limited knowledge which with every word you type is increasingly obviously zilch.
Now to CORRECT you ONCE AGAIN, one only needs to read back over your drivel to see YOU, my little cherub, were first to be " personal" and aimed at individuals, IE me, BAZZA. I am only returning the favour, I always aim to please my ladies, lol. Even if I did believe it was your way of getting my attention, some form of courting my affections, lol. Woman scorned comes to mind now.The expression I've forgotten more than you will ever know?, now I do not normally blow my own trumpet but thanks for the compliment, yes I do as do most here, but don't feel bad.
Sue b, no chance of that ever happening, I'm more partial to my ladies BEING ladies, lol. I think you may be right though, I just might try this wooooooooosh seems to work constantly for the sweet little Kim & Co., lmao.

by VonIsengard on 12 May 2010 - 11:05

Pod, I still strongly disagree. I need only to browse through BSP results to find many very fine working dogs somewhat steep in the croup. The functionality of the croup in the moving GSD is minor in comparison to back, stifle, and rear angulation, for example. I would also consider the correctness of the foot and pastern a much higher priority. You still see many successful dogs, working and conformation, without a completely correct croup. Nor do I see this dog as extreme whatsoever. I am very curious to see what you consider a correctly angulated dog without being extreme. Could you link a few?

Would you consider my dog extreme? www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/127275.html

As for the dog "looking roached in some lights". Can't say I've seen many GSDs when eating, drinking, tracking, etc., don't look "hunched"! The correct evaluation of dog is done in movement, and for me, in a natural stand. Stacking a dog can hide or create many faults.

My last words on the subject. We will have to agree to disagree, it seems.

by kimbailey on 12 May 2010 - 14:05

Bazza you're pathetic, know nowt and are of no concern to me...you were rude first, if this is a competition, I've only responded to your rudeness, outstanding lack of knowlege of both english and the GSD, typos accepted....lol as you've noticed I can do a few myself...however you are worthless so none of my thoughts ever stray in your direction, you haven't my attention, I've forgotten you soon as I've written this.... you have shown yourself to be unpleasant, rude and ignorant...what more can I say? nowt cos it would mean thinking about you...lol...you are not worth my thoughts...but you go give me a good laugh reading your silly postings....hahahahaha

by bazza on 12 May 2010 - 15:05

" None of my thoughts stray in your direction, you haven't my attention" Rather contradictory since you headed straight here to dribble more drivel just to me, that's very touching but you really should try letting it go. You haven't yet explained to the viewers how Pam's dogs' steep croop, oops croup, makes it likely to have HIDDEN ANGULATION HERE, is this a common term used or just yours? Never personally used it or seen it written or spoken in any critiques.
Kim as to the rude personal comments PLEASE LINK TO THE POST HERE, BEFORE YOU NAMED ME, WHERE I WAS PERSONALLY RUDE TO YOU BY NAME.

by kimbailey on 12 May 2010 - 16:05

lol...thanks for attributing other people's words to me... you have been very rude and you know it.... you really crack me up you're so unable to grasp reality...sadly I spend a brief time on here just so you don't think you're getting the chance to bully me...which is a great laugh as why would I worry what you do or say as you've clearly shown you're not worthy of my thoughts and couldn't critique anything so have to resort to bashing others...or attempting to....lol I'm having a great time

by noddi on 12 May 2010 - 16:05

its funny that its only yu and 1 other who find Wildmoors dog overangulated????yu wouldnt be of the other persuasion ,would yu?Carole S.

by bazza on 12 May 2010 - 18:05

Kim, my dear your words no one else's unless you have another user name than Kimbailey
KIM...9TH of MAY at 23: 05, The first word in your rude post was BAZZA, so therefor addressed PERSONALLY to me. I replied in kind
10th MAY at 08:05 again addressed PERSONALLY to me, PRATT and UP YOUR OWN
A- - -, now if that's not rude and addressed personally to me I do not know. When I am addressed by name I usually reply. Where you get the bully from is beyond me as you are the one throwing curse words, and the nastiest comments, I am merely pointing out to you, as most here have, your incorrect assumptions on a photo of a dog. You still haven't explained your comment, no one else's, yours, why having a steep croup makes it likely to have hidden angulation here????? You have been asked several questions, not one have you answered instead have thrown insult after insult. Now's your time to shine, show all these unknowledgeable people what you mean by your above statement, show us what you think is less angulated than this male. NO MORE INSULTS MY DEAR, just show all these good folk here what they do not see that you alone see.
AND THERE FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!

by pod on 12 May 2010 - 23:05

KCzaja, I agree totally on the evaluation on movement point. So many good dogs are bent into such awful shapes by over-handling, but it does also occurs on the move. A dog pulling hard into the collar can have a very distorted outline where the drive from behind pushes the croup downwards and roaches the back, as the lead holds the forehand up. Loose lead gaiting is what we should be aiming for IMO.

The problem with a steep croup is that it contributes to over angulation of the hindquarters. An accentuated slope of the pelvis creates a sharper angled, more forward placed femur, which in turn sharpens the angle of the stifle. This is what gives the 'crouching' appearance to the hindquarters that has become commonplace in the ring over the last decade or so. This construction gives the impression of tremendous drive from the rear, but it is in fact faulty movement, as hindquater construction such as this can no longer flex properly at the hock joint. There is a good article somewhere on this... possibly the Videx site.

Your dog. I wouldn't want any more angulation, but she isn't what I would call extreme by any means and I would describe her as athletic. Reminiscent a bit of the fine dogs of the 80s... Uran type.

As for others, sorry, I've seen photos of some really beautiful working lines dogs posted on this forum. Always intended to keep a record of their names, but of course can't remember any of them.

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