So who are the bad breeders? - Page 7

GSDRULE.....Bite you? I'll pass thank you. " I don't look for this shit, it pops up every day on this web site" And there lies YOUR problem, try brodening your horizons beyond this database. Instead of using this ONE gsd forum to hunt for victims of your very biased opinions, get off your butt and look at REAL dogs in the REAL world. But of course you, with your one pet dog, are now expert because of your vast knowledge on non flattering "PHOTO'S" found on this site, this of course is the same as Sunsilver but she goes one better by quoting authors and is a dab hand at cut and paste. Get a life away from your computers girls it is not healthy. My quote of the day.... There are those who know nothing and those who don't know they know nothing, sad, but oh so true. Thankfully your ilk are a minority.
And now we have Sunsilver taking on Zamp...... ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS,lol.


Your ignorance is showing.  You have no idea what websites I frequent or how many shows I have been to or what books I have read or who I have talked to.  Just because I don't show and breed, doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on what I see.

You won't bite me?  Got weak nerves? 

Bazza, I never claimed to have "vast knowledge."  I just pointed out your arrogance in thinking you know how much knowledge and research I have done.  Your ridiculous notion that ONLY people that breed and show know what's going on.

"Vast knowledge" doesn't seem to be helping the showing and breeding of GSD's.

All you have to do is open your mind and your eyes and the evidence is right there in front of you.

Show rings are full of badly conformed and poor moving dogs.  You breeders and show people put them there,
now you can't whine when people object to what they see.

The saying "The emperor has no clothes" comes to mind.

I'm going to gingerly step into this argument.  Zamp was a great competitor.  However he was also bred to a lot of females who may not have produced a full liter of dogs that reflected the best characteristics of both parents.  Regardless, the breeder will sell them to the less than knowledgeable rube.  It happens all the time to many excellent sires.  Also, some of the pictures shown portray dogs that have been badly posed or shot from an angle that exagerates a particular trait.  That is not fair to the dog, and may just be amateurish photography.  I'm certain that Zamp's (or dogs of that caliber) pictures were not taken by its owner.

That being said, there are a lot of people who after plunking down a substantial amount of money on a dog or bitch will breed that dog to the best pedigree they can find without researching wether or not the cross will improve upon the parents, or even to see if the offspring will replicate in type either of the parents.  That is how puppies from good pedigreed parents get sold at high prices to the unsuspecting uneducated who end up  with a dog that is not worth anything close to what they paid.  However, the pedigree looks impressive.  And yes, the proud owners pop all over the place thinking that they have a diamond, when in reality it is more like a half baked chunk of carbon.  Research and detail work is what makes a good breeder better than his peers.  I've known of an occasional "BYB" who take more care in the selection of their pairings than some breeding operations.

I'm a fan of the natural "stack" that any GSD gets into when alerted by his senses.  BTW, although I'm a fan of the straight back old style east German shepherd, Lartus v Kirschental is a fine looking specimen

"Weak nerves" to me means unable to have a discussion about differing opinions within our sport/hobby without becoming "defensive" and showing our teeth or "nipping" (via the internet!)