breeding snafu? Help! - Page 7

I am sure Richard will accept the DNA request. I dont think they would do anything dishonest.
Here is my take on this-
If a sable female is bred to a sable male- according to a post made earlier- the pups must be sable. WAY wrong.
I bred a female who was sable to a sable male and we got sable, bi color and black. This is due to the color genes behind the dogs.
There are dogs that can only produce sable, like Galant. He is totally dominant for sable no matter what he is bred to.
But, not all dog's genetics are so simple. Nuky produces black, sable and bicolor depending on the family of the female- not just the female.
That is me holding Dora in the photo. I know her and her family very well. She has totally mixed color genetics.

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That's it, where can I send the $ 40.00 for a DNA test, this is getting way to complicated,


I DNA all my dogs,

http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm 

It appears on the pedigree so I believe it's available to the public......
If you are going to spay the pup than it doesn't matter, but if you plan to breed her, you should be certain who the dam & sire are, maybe we'll all learn something about color genetics, just by you having your pup DNA'ed

yes, when you breed sables you can get any of the colors depending on the recessives the dogs carry.  sable dogs carry one sable gene, plus one recessive gene that is "hidden" and can be given to the puppies.  so all of the scenarios mentioned in the recent posts are possible.  A sable with black recessive can produce sables, blacks and black/tans or bicolor when bred to a black/tan or bicolor with black recessive.  A sable with bl/tan or bicolor recessive will not produce black when bred to a black dog - all puppies will be sable and bl/tan or bicolor with black recessive.  A sable dog that has a second sable gene will only produce sable no matter what color dog he is bred to, but the puppies will carry the recessive of the other parent - could be sable/sable (if other parent was sable), sable/bl/tan, or sable/black.

it is easy to figure out if you remember sable is always dominant (so if a dog carries a sable gene it is a sable dog), black/tan is recessive to sable but dominant over black, and black is always recessive (so all black dogs carry two black genes and no other color).  Sable dogs can carry either a second sable gene, a bl/tan or bi gene, or a black gene.  Bl/tan or bi dogs can carry either another bl/tan or bi gene, or a black gene.  And black dogs carry two black genes and can be produced from two non-black parents, as long as both parents carry black recessive.

molly

Bicolor dogs cannot carry a recessive black & tan gene.