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by missbeeb on 06 February 2011 - 20:02
Fantastic! Remember (I hope I can say this without you taking umbrage) to talk to peeps and ask the appropriate questions... I know you may find this difficult (LOL) but the end justifies the means and we need to be united.
by Mackenzie on 08 February 2011 - 07:02
Mackenzie
by missbeeb on 08 February 2011 - 07:02
Mackenzie... what are you on about? You really need to get out more!
by Mackenzie on 08 February 2011 - 07:02
Mackenzie
by mrdarcy on 08 February 2011 - 08:02
Modertor comment. Could we please get this thread back on topic, and not get into back and forth personal comments. Thanks. mrdarcy (mod)
by Videx on 08 February 2011 - 09:02
I know that some people accuse me of being somewhat aloof. This always amazes me considering the number of people I communicate with every day all around the world,, and the range of topics related to GSD that we cover. I am aware that many people have some fear of talking to me, and I am informed that this is because they consider me 'arrogant and cocky', I take that as a fools way of saying 'confident and expressive' and therefore complimentary.
To make the comment that missbeeb is out of her depth is quite insulting to Barbara and totally unnecessary.
I also consider the last two posts could be interpreted as being 'off subject' - just as some people will think this post is also off subject.
by missbeeb on 08 February 2011 - 09:02
Spot on David & thank you!
Mackenzie... you may be right, I do refrain from sinking to your depths!
by Abby Normal on 08 February 2011 - 10:02
I don't know why SueB herself has not felt it appropriate to contribute any further to this thread, when some positive approaches have been discussed and agreed.
The comment SueB made about other things which were more important were stated in terms that implied it should be obvious what those 'things' were, but it clearly isn't. It is, or should be important for all to know what the breed councils plans are, and I simply cannot see what can be jeopardised by revealing direction, priorities etc set in broad terms. As I said, the KC are hardly likely to jump in and 'steal' the BC's ideas, so it is still not clear to me what threat exists, and from whom.
It has been proven, on this thread, that by open discussion, plans which were considered insurmountable by one member of the BC can be moved on by help from others. What remains is for the BC to do their part once the information needed has been prepared for them. It would be good to know that the members of the BC (all of them) are fully committed to that goal, and that progress and future action will be openly shared at that time.
by mrdarcy on 08 February 2011 - 15:02
by Videx on 08 February 2011 - 16:02
There are Three major GSD organisations covering the whole of Great Britain - I don't count the "UK Alsatian Club " as relevant to this comment.
I can also dismiss BAGSD because they have absolutely proved to the overwhelming majority of GSD folk here in Great Britain and around the world that they are also largely irrelevant.
The GSD Breed Council and The GSD League are the two main National GSD Organisations.
The GSD Breed Council is NOT a breed club, not a Kennel Club licensed breed club, it is simply a forum for discussion for the GSD and then with representation channels to the Kennel Club. It also, with the agreement of the BC member GSD Breed Clubs, may co-ordinate various shows and events, and publishes a monthly magazine.
The GSD League is the oldest National GSD Breed Club, and has a very proud record of doing what the Breed Council currently do and much more, and, in my opinion, doing it far better. The GSD League is a Kennel Club licensed GSD Breed Club, it publishes a magnificent Club magazine, it is a member of the WUSV, and it is introducing the GSDL/WUSV System into great Britain. The GSD League is constantly assessing future progressive developments for our breed within the UK, and has many supporters throughout the World, including the WUSV, and its many National Club members.
The GSDL/WUSV System has now embraced a Regional Group of affiliated Clubs and they are examining many options regarding "the way forward". Sue B is the Secretary of this Regional Group, so there are matters which she will be aware of which are at various stages of discussion within the group, as will the Group members be aware of. These matters will tend to be confidential until agreement is reached, however there have been some headline communications from the Regional Group as to some of the issues under discussion.
I therefore readily understand the need for some restraint from GSDL/WUSV Regional Group members on making comments on any public forum.
The issue of the Breed Survey is a case in point. I am very firmly of the opinion that here in Great Britain we need to ensure that we include within the Breed Survey those aspects which are centered on IDENTIFICATION, eg Microchip/Tattoo and DNA parentage Tests, and also on Health Screening Tests, eg Hips, Elbows etc. I also firmly believe that we should NOT include any working test whatsoever until such time that our GSD Breed Survey has achieved well in excess of 2000 - yes two thousand GSD - going through are GSD breed Survey each year. The most crucial aspect of our GSD Breed Survey is for it to gain universal and widespread use by GSD Breeders, so that the GSD Puppy buying public will largely insist on a GSD puppy from GSD Breed Surveyed parents, just as they do now with hip scoring.
For the Breed Council to have introduced the Kennel Club Good Citizens Bronze Award as a requirement in our GSD Breed Survey is what I firmly consider an very serious retrograde step to the future growth in the numbers that will put their GSD through the Breed Survey. It proves nothing of any additional importance, and it has introduced a Kennel Club qualification into a Breed Survey which is not recognised in any way for ANY Kennel Club licensed show. On the other hand for the GSD/WUSV Regional Events and our GSD British Sieger, the GSD Breed Survey is FUNDAMENTAL.
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