NASS Bite Work Videos - Page 6

                  In the second video, is that dog refusing to return to his handler..????

 hello Psycht, what shows are you used too. If AKC, then I am a wealth of info.

The "working class" gaits for an extended length. This includes walking and "gaiting".. The judge is looking for the dogs that "tire",because of poor structure.

Many others can offer more experience/opinions if they care to. Mine is limited to AKC and novice in SV type shows.

hope this helps,
Rik

i watched the first video... IMO .. this is qualified because i understand the nature of the Sch requirements, that being said and understood , my critique.... : very very nice GSD , handling good .. BUT i am not in the least impressed ...... why ... even though this is Sch .. ok it's the NASS and i am assuming this dog already has BH and at least Sch 1 .... so my preference : i do not like to see that when a GSD arrives on the field it automatically looks for a bite !! also another little quirk of mine .... why is it that when the handler walks on the field the dog is leahed ... wait a minute ... doen't this dog have BH and Sch 1 .. does it not have obedience put on it enough for those accolades ?? then why the need to walk the dog on the field that way ?? also why is it that when  the '  bark and hold exercise ' is  completed the handler runs up to the dog and clips the leash on the dog . same point .. cannot  a dog who has BH , Sch1  do  what it told to do , " out & leave the handler in a heal - without restraint ??? So .. what i see .. the dog can control itself for the bark and hold .. but it cannot control itself when enters the field and sees a man with a sleeve and like wise after the bark and hold the dog cannot control itself to leave the agitator alone and ' / turn off 'Bottom line ... In my mind .... these GSDs compete for the highest show ratings in the continent , already well tilted .. and you mean to tell me there is NO CONTROL ??? . just my opinion ..i  have done Sch , and i trained with the best in the entire world as did these dogs  ... i don't care if the helper is dressing in bite suit , even if the helper is 2 feet away from me ... if i do not give the permission to the dog to do something .. i expect it not to be done .. and if i tell my dog to heal away from an agitator threatening us , i expexct him to heal without hesitation !! that is what i expect from the best GSD in the continent.  BUT ... by my standards ... a very good performance ... but not an exemplary performance as to how one should have a dog trained !!

I agree with many of the posters, I watched two of the videos and the only dog worthy of comment was "Grif."  That dog did a nice job, he should be looked at over every other dog shown for breeding, IMO. 

I am constantly amazed that people will go to a National event and show their dogs with such poor performances.  I noticed an overwhelming majority of dogs that were slow to out, chewy grips, dirty and poor guarding, avoidance during the guarding, handler sensitivity and just weak performances.  Granted most of this can be attributed to poor genetics, but poor training is also a huge factor.  When you combine poor handling, poor training and overall weak dogs this is the result the NASS.  How sad for our breed.  

How do you go to a  National Competition, and this is a competition with a dog that won't heel off lead, won't out or even pretend to guard the decoy.   Let's all talk about "prey monsters" in the working lines, at least they do something.  

JMO,

Jim  

Jim,
Wait until next year....it will be better....I've been promised!!   The powers that be are correcting this, you just missed it this year!!!

JIM... i like to be hopeful in all in life .. BUT .... don't hold your breath !! Discussed this 8 years ago in Germany with SV judges ...... aside from hopeful ..i am  perhaps too  idealistic .. thinking the GSD should be what it should be .. and thinking ' the sieger shows , the best representativesin the lands  ... i got a veryvery  real &  rude awakwening !!! i thoughts people's hearts were true in regards to their GSDs ... THEY ARE NOT . i was firmly addressedand admonished  : the message : all and ALL that  the people that own these dogs care about is the placement [ that one factor] as well as minor - , fame , glory etc. .. all that they need do and WILL DO is what is required to meeet that goal .. the placement....... it's all about just getting the dog to place in the show !!!!.. i was told ..and told with boldness : they will notnorf do they care to  have the dogs trained as i would expecta GSD to be trained  because it is not their purpose. the purpose : get that dog in the ring and place !! i was adresses " AP don't ylou understand that !! [ emphasized and ephatiic]  i went to many sieger shows .. flew as my pastime to differnet areas of the USA   with or without a GSD ... [ once even helped work a VA 1 seiger ]. after that conversation .. haven't been to a seiger show since... because ... i found ... what was said was the HARSH TRUTH [ and my trianed dogs were performing far better] ... jim .. promises .. promises ... don't hold your breath AP

Alphapup,
You have to be converted like me, I understand eight years of frustration, for me its been longer. But there is nothing different about these dogs that training wouldn't cure. These people don't have priority in training so that's the reason they don't seem like real working dogs. You will see improvement next year...I've been promised by people who aren't morons.

I am not only depressed and horrified by the dogs' performances but also in how these dogs were worked.  To be honest I don't know if my dog would show all that much better.  He would get out there and have a sleeve shoved in his face and a stick half-assed waved over his shoulder and think wonder WTF is going on?  Where is the bitework? LOL  I used to relish the day when I would take my dogs to this show and sweep up some "performance" titles but now I don't even want to subject my dogs to this type of "work".

Apparently, in this type of venue, the "work" is treated as something to get over with. Conformation shows are useful, but a dog should be able to work either in SchH, herding, tracking. Otherwise it is a pet.

Gustav .../ Jim .. i don't  mean to imply that showlines can't work well BTW .. i have had some that were capable of and trained executing police work exercises.  !!  I will through your words be optimistic... BUT as it now stands .. it is laughable that : a dog can out , do a bark and hold yet the handler cannot walk on the field with the  dog off leash and after the protection exercise he also has to go clip on in a flash the leash on the dog and take him away ..  so we look towards next year