Experiences from breeding showlines with working lines - Page 6

From some who have actually "so much as a BH on a dog" plus a little extra, there is nothing derogatory in observing what is true. No one is "frothing" , we just don't want the soundness present in WL getting mucked up by those who see they need to make changes in the lines they have.

LOL, that is such an arrogant stance, but hey, it is yours. And there it is again, that tell-tale churning in the water!

That's why I love working dogs, they too are arrogant in protecting what they intend to keep. Also, they swim really good without churning the water, causing all that froth.:)

it is a shame that subjects much above "poor poop" or "what food is best" seem to bring out the troll in some.

with that said, the crime scene made me LOL.

Here's the thing - this thread was called "experiences from breeding showlines with workinglines". Arlette, Haus Dexel, Silbersee have had those experiences and Chris has attempted to share them with the board in a constructive, neutral way.

Arlette and Haus Dexel  bred GSD's way before some here were even born.  They exhibit their dogs, they title them, they always try to do the right thing. If I'm right, Margit van Dorssen will be the first woman to judge at the Seiger this year and I think she's the only female SV licensed judge in Germany. Chris and her husband have bred and owned many excellent GSD including dogs used for police work. Do you think that came fast or easy for any of them?

For god sake, have you poeple no respect for anyone who doesn't breed working lines? I wonder if you even have any respect for any of your fellow workingline breeders. Some of the most critical on this board do nothing but breed litter after litter. They don't train, say they do,  but they never title or breed dogs that prove themselves in other venues. Yet they feel entitled to trash breeders who do.

As Beetree has correctly stated, why do you care so much if the results are so bad that they will self-destruct. No one is forcing anyone else to do a breeding they don't want to do or to own dogs they don't want. I don't even understand why some have felt qualified to offer anything to this thread given the topic.

Crime scene funny? Looks juvenile to me, like something the 6th grade bully would draw on the blackboard when the teacher left the room.

The thread has gone off topic. I give Silberse a lot of credit for everything they have accomplished both in work & show fields with their dogs. A breeder that attends the same training club also mixes her showlines & WL's together.
Her dogs are still majority of WL's. She has done this to help improve correct structure for both lines & more balance drives in the offspring. Her dogs go to pet homes, sport homes, agility, SAR, etc.
Over all they are nice dogs in appearance, temperament, & health. Their drives are more like the GSD of the past with more balance drives.

Back in the mid 90's I bred a very nice SL make with my SAR patrner WL female. The stud was very correct in structure with a firm back & not over agulated. He he a great temperament & lots of drives.
The litter was one of my favorites back then. Result was 6 puppies; 1/2 went into SAR homes, another agility + obedeince, 1 as a service dog, & another family pet + farm dog. They were beautifil black & tan puppies  
with great movements, but it was their bomb proof temperaments that really stood out the most. They all had wonderful almost balance drives, some were had higher prey drives.

2 years later I tried repeating the same type of breeding with another type of SL stud. This was a disappointment in nerve / temperament with some puppies. But this was my mistake with pairing my dam up with that stud.
I didn't know his lines work ability / temperament as well as the first stud, they didn't have You Tube then. Even still 1 of the puppies became a service dog & a few others became police dogs. 

I have a showline breeder near me that does French ring with her dogs. I see some nice examples of SL's at club now working well with more correct structure too. I think people always have the examples of the extremes in the minds when they think of either line. I use to own SL's but stop in the 90's & stayed with my WL GSD. I prefer those lines in looks, work, & over all health. I didn't care for direction the SL's were taking.

I stop following the SL's almost 20 years ago so I could not be educated enough in selecting SL's even if I wanted too. I prefer improving the WL's within WL's because there is such a huge selection of V-rated KkL1 dogs to choose from now. In doing so there are no worries over loosing drive / nerve / temperament or adding in increase health issues. My vision is the GSD breed standard for structure & I see so many WL's closely fit this standard now. While I do see really nice examples of SL's around me there still something missing in them that the WL's just have in their presence / spirt.

 

Excellent post, Hudson.

That crime scene is a hoot !! Great sense of humor, Daryl.

Something Blitzen could work on, if she weren't so busy walking the walk.  BTW, a BH is a temperament test, not a title.  But you would know that, if you ever "achieved" one.  On the matter of derailing the topic, your added comments have had nothing to do with the breeding subject being discussed.  But you can call ME childish, I don't mind.