Can BDGSDA be saved? - Page 6

Miss Beeb – ‘I really think we need a "Head Office"’ You are not wrong about that. We need a club totally independent of the KC and within which everyone who wants to move the breed in the direction of the WUSV system which obtains in the rest of the world can work to make that prevail here.

Jaymesie – ‘at the KC shows a dog with hd-ed-heam-epilepsy etc can and does win the top award at the moment that is what we have here’. And THAT is what damages this breed more in this country than anything else. Wake up and smell the coffee. What do people think the Jemima Harrison program was about? It was about exposing this and all the harm which flows from such a system.

From within an SV style club people can, and should, actively campaign against the KC system not condone and encourage it by taking part in it.

Peterlee, do you show your dogs? 
 
We'll have to agree to disagree about Jemima Harrison; I see her programme as a missed oppo' to show the KC up for what they are... a money making old boys club, stuck in a time warp!  Nobody (gen public) I've spoken to, blames the KC... they all blame the breeders! 

I believe a real dog lover, armed with what she has now been told, would really expose the KC... and maybe she will, but there's been no indication of that yet.  This is my opinion, I am not trying to force anyone else to share it.

Until we're up and running properly, I think the vast majority of us will show at KC shows... unless, they find a way to stop us... bet they're trying as we post!  If I am forced to select, I will of course, dump the KC.

For anyone who is interested the objects clause I have drafted for a club based on SV lines reads as follows:-

>>3. OBJECTS

3.1. The objects (hereinafter referred to as “the objects”) for which the Company is established are:-

3.1.1. to promote within the United Kingdom the objects and functions of the SV (Der Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde) in terms of the uniform breeding, showing and training of German Shepherd Dogs;

3.1.2. to promote and develop a structure for showing and breeding the German Shepherd Dog within the UK which conforms to the standards of health requirements, construction, working ability and character promoted by the WUSV;

3.1.3. to promote, encourage, develop and support shows and events for the German Shepherd Dog within the UK which are compatible with the WUSV/SV system;

3.1.4. to promote and develop within the UK a system of Breed Surveys for the German Shepherd Dog which is compatible with the WUSV/SV system;

3.1.5. to promote and develop standards within the UK for health screening requirements, breed standard & working qualifications for the German Shepherd Dog in line with breed requirements and to initiate working tests compatible with the WUSV/SV system;

3.1.6. to promote and develop within the UK a list of judges for show and working trials for the German Shepherd Dog who are skilled in judging within the context of the WUSV/SV system;

3.1.7. to promote and develop within the UK a database for German Shepherd Dogs;

3.1.8. to liaise with other bodies having similar or related objectives both within and outside the UK;

3.1.9. to form and support Branches within the UK which have the same objectives;

3.1.10. to undertake such other activities as will assist in promoting the objectives of the company.<<

Jim is quite right in some of the comments that he has made in that I have not paid dues into anything in the UK for some time. Also, whatever happens to the breed in the UK at this time does not affect me. However, from the time that I first came into the breed I paid my way, in the same way that Jim does, for nearly thirty years. Also, as I said in an earlier post I have been considering a return to the UK and if I do return then what is happening now is very relevant to me and my hobby. Nobody wants people to stop their hobby whatever side of the fence they are on but it is hypocritical to shout for one side and support the other with fees and physical presence. At least practise your hobby on one side or the other, there is nothing stopping you from doing that. As I have pointed out here and on other occasions any change will mean a sacrifice for the benefit of the breed as opposed to the benefit of those who want to show at what amounts to any event for their own self indulgence, health screened or not.

In the seventies I handled a female to her title. The female had a terrible character and she should never have been awarded the title “Champion”. Two tickets were from All Rounders and the other from a Breed Specialist. After the female was made up I was asked by several well known people to handle their dogs with similar character faults. I refused and, I never handled the Champion female again much to the owners regret. Fortunately, she had no influence on the breed as she was only mate twice. I did not attend another show for about two years and I was ready to quit altogether rather than accept that character. I then became involved with the German side and thereafter I only showed a dog under an SV judge and using German bloodlines in my dogs. That was my principle then and it reflects my principles towards the breed now.

Mackenzie

A club based on those objects needs a secretary and treasurer who command respect. Are you willing to be the secretary, Mo? Is Shirley willing to be the treasurer? It is time this project was moved forward.

Mackenzie, you say: Nobody wants people to stop their hobby whatever side of the fence they are on but it is hypocritical to shout for one side and support the other with fees and physical presence.

I disagree.  I would be unlikely to give up my job (no matter how much I hated it) without having another to start.  Showing our dogs is our hobby, we will use the KC shows, only for as long as we need them... if they let us! 

An opinion is not a fact.  Our opinions differ.

 

Miss  Beeb, you have missed the point.  By choosing one side or the other does not prevent you from following your hobby.  Unlike changing a job with nothing to go you to have a choice to support one side or the other to follow your hobby.  You appear to  want to  support both sides depending on how you feel.

You are absolutely right - our opinions do differ.

Mackenzie