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by angelfire2269 on 08 February 2013 - 19:02
I agree with you RIK! Nicely put!
by Nans gsd on 08 February 2013 - 21:02
Angel: nice that the bitch is excellent, does not get much better than that as long as you can depend on her to produce well. However, I do not believe in sugar coating jack shit when it comes to breeding. Just my ethics. Good bye. Nan
by Hutchins on 09 February 2013 - 16:02
Nan, I totally agree with YOU about sugar coating.
Rik, thanks for the nice comment. Seems like we may have met at one point in our lives.
On the other hand, I firmly believe that if an xray is taken at 6mos and it shows some abornality, does anyone honestly believe it will get better with time? NO! Why would anyone want to hold on to a puppy like this if its sole purpose is to be a breeding prospect. Now, If its laxity, it may very well tighten up with age and proper exercise. That I would consider holding onto, and hope it would tighten up.
With these things said, I have to ask, Is there really a definite age in which to get an evaluation on hips. I do not think so, because seems the hips are constantly changing. Its just a matter of timing on that given day as to what the results will be. A slight injury can make the difference to a good or bad rating. Once a dog compensates for any kind of inury, it will change the way he walks. Just like humans when we hurt ourselves. We walk limping to take the pressure and weight off the injury. From that point on it puts strain on the other leg and joints. Do you honestly think that leg will not show the increased strain from comspensating for the injury? YES IT WILL. Results will show more wear and tear and BAM, not a good rating!
I hope all this makes sense. Sometimes my choice of words do not explain exactly what I am thinking or trying to say. I can talk your head and explain it perfectly, but for some reason I just can not write it..
Rik, thanks for the nice comment. Seems like we may have met at one point in our lives.
On the other hand, I firmly believe that if an xray is taken at 6mos and it shows some abornality, does anyone honestly believe it will get better with time? NO! Why would anyone want to hold on to a puppy like this if its sole purpose is to be a breeding prospect. Now, If its laxity, it may very well tighten up with age and proper exercise. That I would consider holding onto, and hope it would tighten up.
With these things said, I have to ask, Is there really a definite age in which to get an evaluation on hips. I do not think so, because seems the hips are constantly changing. Its just a matter of timing on that given day as to what the results will be. A slight injury can make the difference to a good or bad rating. Once a dog compensates for any kind of inury, it will change the way he walks. Just like humans when we hurt ourselves. We walk limping to take the pressure and weight off the injury. From that point on it puts strain on the other leg and joints. Do you honestly think that leg will not show the increased strain from comspensating for the injury? YES IT WILL. Results will show more wear and tear and BAM, not a good rating!
I hope all this makes sense. Sometimes my choice of words do not explain exactly what I am thinking or trying to say. I can talk your head and explain it perfectly, but for some reason I just can not write it..
by angelfire2269 on 09 February 2013 - 20:02
I didn't mean to come off as I may have been taken. I was hoping for an open minded conversation- hope I did not offend anyone after all, the sole purpose of this is to consult and share with others.... My apologies
by Nans gsd on 09 February 2013 - 22:02
Thank you for saying that. I accept. I also feel this is a very sad case, 3 baby girls shipped from Germany and none good enough to do anything with but make nice pets, possibly with problems later. Ugh. So sad for them; but by looking at the x-rays, and by keeping them lean and fit will help them out trememdously; I have seen way worse xrays live a normal life with controlled exercise. So there are no guarantees in life but I hope for the best for these girls. Nan Is there a pedigree the poster might share?
by Blitzen on 10 February 2013 - 02:02
I am wondering if these 3 pups are related and the hip status of their sire, dam, sibs. I am very sad for their owner.
by CMills on 10 February 2013 - 03:02
I also would like to see their pedigree, am I to assume they are littermates? How sad for these youngsters.
by 1GSD1 on 10 February 2013 - 13:02
I was able to pull up the kennel and 2 of the girls are litter sisters. Hopefully the OP will post her link. I won't. Took a bit but i found it.
by Hutchins on 10 February 2013 - 16:02
My first thoughts on this from the beginning was, why would anyone want to keep a puppy from a choice of three from the same litter if they were all not normal hips. No one should have to choose the lesser of the 3 if they aren't normal. Move on and find something else. But for educational purposes, it was really nice of the OP to share it with us.
by Prager on 10 February 2013 - 17:02
The indentation on femoral head is called Fovea Capitis and it is a spot where the ligaments are attached. That is normal.
Sometimes you can see it on the radiograph and sometimes not. It depends on positioning and on where the Fovea capitis is located on the femoral head ( there may be slight variations) and shape of the femoral neck and so on.
From http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Femur_head.png
Prager Hans
Sometimes you can see it on the radiograph and sometimes not. It depends on positioning and on where the Fovea capitis is located on the femoral head ( there may be slight variations) and shape of the femoral neck and so on.
From http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Femur_head.png
Prager Hans
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