Top PRODUCING Stud in Europe? - Page 5

all iam saying is that your side of the world has got some of the best trainers and breeders and that is what i belive.i have tom's grandson through Vito Waldwinkle.i will post it here sometime in the future.have a nice one.

Silbersee - thank you for the stats.  This is info I am more looking for.

I agree top breeding and sport concentrated in Belgium.  Interesting that some have info on Bomber too. 

J litter TK has too much line breeding with female I am looking to match up.   As do any dogs with Olex .

Is Nick/Olex the next bottleneck in the breed bringing foward the Fero bottleneck tighter?

 

 

I suppose there are many great studs that are hardly known of that produce better or equal than some more famous dogs mentioned here, the carchter of the bitch is even more important for how the pups turn outs many also says. Some much used dogs in sweden recently are,
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/467749.html

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/468260.html

Como v rurdam has produced a lot of dogs here also, and seems to produce pretty strong dogs mentaly, but depending on the bitch of course. A son of him,
www.youtube.com/watch

The brother of troll v haus milinda, task, who died last year seems to produced healthy and nice dogs, had 85 offspring in Sweden I belive, some nice dogs working in the swedish protectionprogram, like this one that can be seen here,
secure.storegate.se/user/Files/Browse.aspx

I don't see what the big deal is with Fero. In the past, there has always been extensive linebreedings on a certain dog throughout the breed's history. That has nothing to do with genetic bottlenecks. What is that anyway? All the dogs carry the same genes, since the breed was founded by carefully breeding with a few select dogs anyway. It is important, however to identify the traits you wish to empasize on or to rradicate.
Belgium and the Netherlands have great dogs (and even better trainers) but all go back to German lines.
So, you need to think about what it is you want? Breed to points and placements, so you can sell puppies? Or do you wish to dedicate a breeding program to a goal you have in mind? If in doubt which stud to use for your female, study dogs with similar lines, check out the breeders who consistently produce what you are striving for and see where they go to. You will find - surprise, surprise - that they often go to a lesser known dog. Why? They might like the linebreeding or even only one certain side of a pedigree which that particular dog brings with him.
I am originally from the show side, but lately have been studying a lot of these workingline dogs and I can tell you that I was told by judges and breeders on both sides, that it is very impoertant to observe who successful breeders/handlers/exhibitors breed their females to. There is a book called "Die Elite" which gives you stats on the most successful males and their progeny in the BSP etc.
To reiterate:
The most popular studs in Germany this year seem to be
- Javir with 5 to 9 studs every months (brother Jimbeam about 4)
- Bomber Wolfsheim with 4 to 8 studs a month
- Uno Stadtfeld with 4
- Olek Maineiche with 4
- Eliot Prevent with 4
- Phalko Weinbergsblick with 4
- Amigo Holzinger Au with 3
- Ajax Röhnsaler Bach with 3
- Jimm Salztalhöhe with 3
- Jucan Peroh with 3
- Baki Salztalblick with 3
- Agent Wolfsheim with 3
- Endy Karthago with 3
- Ero Fuchsgraben with 3
- Falk Wölfen with 3
- Zar Schiffslache with 3.
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 You can check this site. Type the dogs name in the search bar and get an idea how popular a particular stud is www.working-dog.eu/zucht_ansehen.php

Other frequently used dogs:
- Arras vom Prielberg
- Sid vom Haus Pixner
- Felix vom Haus Pixner
- Champ vom Schloß Birkenstein
- Fanto von der Lobdeburg
- Falko vom Kapbusch
- Eyko vom Mörfelder Land
- Furby vom Luberg
- Raccoon's Flax
- Mec vom Riemsloherwald
- Matscho von Conneforde
- Ivo vom Geefacker
- Immo vom Rosseleck
- Quincy and Quasimodo vom Rosseleck
- Quincy vom Waldwinkel
- Campino vom großen Schönberg
- Hutch vom dunklen Zwinger
- Hutch von der kalten Hardt
- Nolan vom alten Wingertshaus (my favorite - plan on having a litter by him this early fall)

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I think the Dogs are good on the whole, but for the size of the country, it does make them extra good, but saying that in all Countries there is only a percent of really top Dogs, I have watched this last year several hundred dogs working in Trials, and although a lot are SchH3 they have there limits on ability, and if i see a really good Dog i look to see it at another trial to compare its performances,
Then again a i am lucky in as much i can get to any trial in Belgium within 3 hours or so travelling just because the country is so small, I do think they have some good handlers, and again i am lucky to have the help of two of the best in my Province if not Belgium, some 70 years experience of this breed between them,
At the training club tonight the breeder of my Pup which will be ready to come home a week  tomorrow tells me she is a little Spitfire, and be sure to expect some nips and scratches for she has already drawn blood on him, The owner of   Como  who is the father of the Pups Ronny van der Bergh called in the other day to look at them as well
So it looks like i am in for a lively time with Izzy
Steve

Hi Silbersee,

I am expecting pups any day now from Yak Vom Hagenberg, http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/537906.html 
 he has Stadtfeld dogs in his background, can't wait cause I am planning on keeping one, when meeting Yak, he looks like a bear, nice looking male with a nice stable temperament.

steve1  nothing bad about the dogs ,,or lines but what would we have heard from eros or como , if ronnie had not gotten eros , but another dog instead

I think the list of belgium accompishments would remain the same , just different dognames

over the last  years belgium trainers were hard to beat in different breeds , be it ronny , mario or even willy adraanse with bill

belgiums are eating , dinking and sleeping dogsport(and beer) since the early 1900s  and are masters in problemsoulving on different dogs/breeds

Duke
And you are telling me, even if Eros and Como had gone to another handler they would have held there own, both Dad and Son have loads of talent, and according to the marks on the breeders wrist last night it looks as if 6 week old Izzy has that something in her veins,
He told me i was in for an interesting time with her, but if she turns out like her Dad and Granddad then it will be worth it, Have you seen Eros and Como working in real life
Steve