Harrison k-9?? - Page 4

Ok HD, but again, what defines the progeny of Wonder Dog as being
so noteworthy? What criteria are you using to establish that the progeny 
is so outstanding?

Workingdogz, once again, the same criteria I mentioned to describe the male dog in my example. A dog that is a proven street/police dog does not need an IPO title. A dog that spends all day, I dont know, herding goats, protecting a missile silo, detecting explosives, whatever.
A title is simply an owner's effort and money and time, but, in no way does it make the dog breed worthy. There are plenty of titled up the wazoo dogs out there that should be neutered as far as being able to produce goes.

i want a lambo, but cant afford 1, if i could i would.........i know someone who spent 12,000 for a dog from globa k9 group.........great dog, but then she got preoccupied wit her horses, and divorce, and locked the dog in a stable(now 24 hrs a day but still bad) long enough that now it remembers noone, and (becauses its SUPER trained) wont allow ANYONE near it.............if i had millions like she does, id buy a dog from them...........y not.........as said b4 who r we 2 judge

their dogs arent 4 u/me/us........but 2 b in buisness that long, their 4 someone

HD,
We are woefully off topic here now, but what the hell 

While I agree that 'actual' work is a tell tale sign of a potentially
good dog, there is no 'recorded' way for me to go back in time
and know for fact that Fluffy v Bushytail was in fact a military
working K9. That's part of the problem, word of mouth can
be skewed and embelished. If I see a dog is certified through
perhaps NAPWDA I know that dog met certain standardized criteria.
I also know I can contact someone in NAPWDA that has seen
the dog at some point and confirm it's a really nice dog, or tell me,
the dog had a 'lucky day'.  I'm sure you get where I am going
with this?  If we don't try to use some sort of national or internationally 
set and recognized standard, where does that leave us in 5-10 years?
Are we left hoping someone kept that pile of cocktail napkins John 
scribbled out all the wonderful traits of 'Fluffy v Bushytail' on?
At least with National and Internationally kept records I have some
place to start when it comes time to research dogs to get puppies
from. I don't have to belong to a secret squirrel club to know that 
'Ernie' the patrol dog in Minot N Dakota was a real rock star.
On the otherside of the coin, I can find out that 'Racoon Eye's v DarkSable'
was given his SchH1 at a club trial and barely squeeked by, and
he comes from a whole litter of dogs that cannot hardly get passed a BH.

It's ok, people will use what they want to define a 'good dog',
we have that freedom in this country. Personally, we just happen to
prefer to utilize internationally documented  results that we can
check out further to make our selections for our future puppies.

Good points are good points no matter where they come from....IMHO!

Workingdogz, you have a very valid point in your rebuttal. I am not that interested in what score a dog has, where he got it from, etc. In my world, when I need a puppy or an adult, I simply look at several and choose who I think will be the best for MY purposes.
Titles mean nothing, if what I see in front of me conforms to MY needs. What that dogs great, great grandfather did is about as interesting to me as golf...what can THIS dog do right here, right now. Again, I agree with you for your needs and what you want, but, I will stand by the fact that titles do not make a potent stud that can reproduce himself. Thanks for your remarks.

HD,
I have never said scores mattered in the big scheme, but, 
they may give me an idea of what areas a dog is weak or 
strong in. And yes, we will agree for sure on the fact that 
titles do not 'make' a dog breedworthy, there is a whole lot 
more to take into account, but, as I said, it is at least an 
internationally set standard I know I can start my research
from. And I think the first three generations have the
most input on a dog, mainly the first, but it is nice to know
that there are certain 'traits' that I can predict to come from
knowing certain lines. At the end of the day, as long as you 
or I or Joe Blow is happy with our dogs, that's what counts.
No matter how we select them.
No one way is better than the other for any one person.

found pedigrees of the 2 females listed for sale
Dolly is Delilah  Eurosportu and Karmen is Karmen Adrianka

hey this guy sells several breeds. Don't know about the gsds on his page, but the dobermans, wow, esp the puppies, are a mess! Way too skinny, broken down pasterns, lacking the 'catlike' feet. It looks like they may have a few dobes with decent bloodlines in their program, but it's hard to tell who has exactly what with no pedigree available to see. I guess you can import anything from europe without your breeding program being checked by the seller beforehand?  Anyway, the cost is ridiculous for the quality of most of their dobes.
The system he uses for the ears,reminds me of those old fashioned retainers kids had to wear back in the 70's...poor dogs!
I think Harrison is at least more reputable than whitedk

http://www.whitedk9services.com/?gclid=CKaR_tWMzbQCFQ_hQgodmB4ABQ