Sven vom Grafental - Page 4

I was wondering if any of the Boban progeny owners were going to jump in and speak their piece.

Olskool, you bring up an important issue.  The exclusive bonding to immediate family.  The family that raised him from a puppy and gives a home for life.  There is no tolerance for change.

Boban did not get that stability from the life he has led.  He was born in a place that only appreciated sport dogs.  So he had to go.  He has been bought and sold like livestock.  That did severe damage to his psyche.  Who knows how many more changes are in store for him.

Michele

Pharaoh,
There are many pieces to this dog and you certainly brought up one of them.  I felt bad for this dog from the first time I saw him.  Some of the issues around this dog may have been worked out with a good active working enviroment that spent some bonding time with him.  He was a handfull and thus did not get what he needed.  I am a firm believer in getting out of each dog all he has to offer, and this means sacrifice.  Personally I liked the dog and would loved to have spent some time with him and see what made him tick and capatilize on his strengths, and work out the rest the best you can.
I have seen too many dogs that did not live up to expectations and are given up on, but with someone else and some time they can turn a corner and be something to behold.  I know this to be true.  Same principal with children.
I am happy with my boy and he fits the bill for me.  He looks much like dad.

I have been told that Boban bonded to the kennel help.  I have also been told that there was an "incident" with Jacques.  Also, that he could not be breed surveyed and in fact he isn't.  What is the SG for?  He never progressed beyond SchH I.

He is on this website  http://emmanuelshepherds.com/ourdogs_males_boban.htm
There are some problems.  They state he is OFA excellent.  I searched OFA's lookup and could not find any results for Boban, nor Grauen nor Monstab.  Not one record turned up for any of those searches.  I am sure that Julie did not OFA him, nor the next owner and the current owner is in Canada.  I conclude that there is no OFA on this dog.  So, why does Emmanuel Shepherds have on their website on the Boban page, that he is OFA excellent?  Pedigree database is corrected and no longer says OFA excellent but Emmanuel Shepherds still does say OFA excellent.

What is true is that Boban is a stunning dog and so are his offspring.  I have spoken to a number of them, owners of male Boban progeny.  They love their dogs but they are not for everyone and they, like Olskool, are very, very careful with them.

Michele

That's odd, Pharoh.  Boban is also listed as being at this kennel in Florida:  http://www.vomanton.com/DOGSAVAILABLE.HTML

     If not mistaken, I think Rick states Boban is at stud in Canada, with a good friend.
I also have a Sven grand-daughter,and she is a terrific girl. Very high drive dog, with a temperment that is truly fantastic.
    She can be all fired up and ready to get to work, and than turn around and be 100% calm with my grand-daughter.
    I am very happy with this girl. She came from Anton(whom by the way is very helpful and honest when seeking info on a particular dog).
    If your looking for DDR...

Thanks for the link! Nice pics of Boban! looks like he is being worked over there. His son Diesel looks good too!!
My friend Pieter has a daughter of Boban - Bora v Domburgerland. Very nice bitch, very strong bone and a good character.
He will be breeding her second nest next year. 

His father owns a Sindy son and that is a different type of cookie. Georg is a very serious dog!

1 last time....it's NOT SVEN!

kazulani,
The pics do him no justice IMO.  He is a very strong dog and very masculan. The action shots are old ones before he came in country.  If you are looking for predictability in a litter, I would not use Boban.  If you like real crap shoots, then he might be worth the risk IMO. 
Pharaoh, I believe you are correct about incident (s) with Jacques, and maybe should have had more IMO.  He bonded wonderfully with his second owner, I spent some time chatting with him, but again, he spent a lot of individual time with him.  I do not believe he had a good start in life and it is hard to go back in time.  I hope it is better for him in these later years.  I guess I am more in line with Max on these dogs.  They are apart of the family and involved with what is going on.  They thrive on human interaction for the most part.

Olskool-I thought that Julie was his second owner and that she bought him directly from Jacques.  Then, she sold or traded him to someone who didn't keep him for long and sold him again.  I don't know how many additional owners there were between the guy Julie sold him to and Emmanuel Shepherds in Canada.  So, there have so far been a minimum of 4 owners so far.

I have had a conversation with a woman who does training and boarding.  She has experience with Boban male offspring and described them as difficult and unpredictable.

Pharaoh is as tough and hardheaded a dog as I can handle.  At 4 years old, he is way more biddable.  But, he is very loving and loyal.  He is very social with other dogs and people.  He is very predictable.  Maybe I will put a BH on him.

Michele

Boban is in Saskatchewan, CA.

Co owned by Shpherd Glen K9 and Emanuel