which line breeding do you prefer and why - Page 4

Good looking dog, Judron.

This is 1 of my girls linebred on Orry and Fado
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=699448 

Bob sorry I couldn't respond earlier.  I've been jumping from office to office to get caught up on work.  I will  try to answer you on your hypothecial breeding.  In a nutshell, too crossed up!  Not sure what the objective here is.  It would be too lenghty to critique it.  Good dogs in the background, but need to know what you are trying to accomplish.  Putting them together on paper is onething, but you have to have a goal first as to what you're trying to accomplish.  Get this straight, I'm no GSD breeding expert, but I draw upon other animal breeding practice of over 25 yrs. and I try to relate this to my GSD program.  Might work or might not.  In this combo, I see too many different marbles to say that you will end up with this or that trait.  Some people say that the apple don't fall too far from the tree, well in this instance our dogs are not apples and you don't know what trait is going to surface here with this combo.   

With genes I think you can control some phenotype stuff but that is not the full picture because we working enthuasiasts are looking for more that comes from things we don't control and can never control because the desired trait might be on several genes and you muddle up the water by have too many different coloured marbles in the bottle.  In your planned breeding, and even with your son of Axel, there are some things I don't like, just my preferences now. Please do not get all riled here.  You and I, and I'm sure many on this thread will never see or has never seen some of the dogs we're trying to line on.  For me it is the Fero line.  Your line, well, other than Fado, I see a crossed up dog, with many great dogs in its background.  Now this was just a quick observation and I might be wrong.  No offense here.  I have not seen any of them work personally that is.  But from looking at videos, I see traits I don't like in the background.  I do not see much in Fado, but he was a great breeder.  His background has some lines I don't like, and I have had dogs down from them that I did not like.  Soft.  Now I see him on both sides of your top side, sire side, with other dogs like Orry (which I like), etc.  But then there are other many crosses here to get to your dog.  Now you might have gotten an awsome dog out of him (Axel, that is), but personally I like to see something different.  If you look at videos of Fado work, his physical structure, you do not see any of this in Axel, or even Troll Melinda. Where is all this coming from?

When I look at a dog I want to use as a stud and inspect his pedigree, I want to see certain things.  Physical resemblance of the dog I'm lining on and its proven progeny of that dog in a straight line. Is my potential stud carrying the physical and internal traits that pretty much look like the line I'm breeding on.  If so, then I know I'm on the right line no matter how far remove from that dog he is.  From a physical stand point he must be "a macho" (just my preference here)  that resembes his line from the dog that I'm lining on.  For example,  when I see troll, Fero's son, I see my dog, when I look at other sons of Fero, I see my dog, and this is several generations apart.  I see Yoshy, Timmy, etc. That dark eyes, head and body structure, etc.  I don't see that with Axel if we are saying that you are lining on Fado. From a linebreeding stand point, what I want to line on, for example Fero, I want to see carried through on the sire top side because I'm breeding on a Male line, not a female line. If you are breeding on Orry, then he should be on the topside, not the bottom side of Troll.  I would have like to see Orry, via Vervin on t

 tenmon:

                 I appreciate the qriteque, I crossed the 2 pedigree,s because you mentioned brining Grief into the lines. There is a long way to go to see if any thing comes of this latest breeding. So who knows what might be needed depending on how the litter works.

Personnely I like to see the female lines bring more. Personnely I feel the female contributes more genetic material to the breeding Just my honest opinion.

Breeding on paper is like drawing your favorite building you can change the windows ,floors,door, structre, foundation many times before you start construction. I like looking at options.

I had a Fero grand son. very slow maturer as were so many that I spoke to at the time. The females from that breeding (his sisters) were much fatser to mature and show substance.

Hi Bob:
What I meant was that in my studs line, I already have the Pike/Grief line already in there, but troll/fero is on the top side which I'm breeding on.  Bringing in a female for example a dght. of say Yoshy/Rocky bred on a Croc (Mink/Grief line) would be what I would be looking to do.  Note, I'm not disregarding the female side.  I'm just looking strictly on linebreeding as the subject matter ask for.  Obviously both in the package are important and not to deminish the female's role in the breeding equation.  

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=569507 

 This is the pedigree for one of my females, Jet. She's linebred on Mink. She is a very confident female. Very biddable. Alpha female. Very good in all three phases.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=589609 

   This is my girl, Aymee. She's linebred on Fero. Very biddable with high prey. Good in all three phases.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=709180 

  This is my new girl, Orri. She also is linebred on Fero. She has all the tools!

Thank you for the info on your dogs remione.  All you guys have such great breedings its unbelievable!  Everyone I would take in a heartbeat.  Nice breedings and also that clip on the linebred Yoshy female.  Nice.  I just can't get over them and wonder why we keep going back to europe for more?
Great job guys.