Photos of my 'over angulated dog' - Page 4

Missbeeb...the photos were posted to illustrate and therefore invite comments that's what you get when you post. 

Member...why?  I haven't described the dog as over angulated, I said it was difficult to tell what the angulation was like without knowing it, without seeing it move etc etc I said a dog with 'less angulation', not that this was overangulated, as I've said before Pam mentioned overangulation not I.  My view was the dog looked uncomfortable, the earlier mention of an injury didn't say that the dog was still injured...just that it had a check x-ray.  The dog is clearly still in pain, still recovering and that adds to the problem of looking at the angles of it's legs.  The problem is that you assume what's been written rather than actually reading and understanding it...that's the issue here.

Oh, come on!

"I don't like to see the back end slope away like that, but that's my preference, I prefer a stronger rear end. If you compare to a less angulated dog you can see they have a stronger back line"

Maybe you didn't use the word overangulated, but are certainly implying it.

Again, a slightly steep croup has NOTHING to do with strength of back or rear and in no way impacts working ability. Just look  at the BSP dogs with poor croups. Also, lack of angulation has NOTHING to do with strength of topline. I've seen many many dogs with little to no angulation in the rear with extremely weak, sagging toplines.  Perhaps you should brush up on anatomy and how it affects movement and working ability. And I have to disagree, pod, I also don't see how this dog wouldn't be athletetic. He has a straight back, front and rear do not appear unsound and he is not overbuilt in front. He could maybe lose 2-3 pounds, but post inury of course lack of activity will impact weight.

And for what it's worth, I didn't think the dog looked uncomfortable. Why? Because his head is a bit down and turned? Maybe he sees a bird, maybe he heard something, maybe he's air scenting, maybe he's annoyed he was told to stand and stay so he's snubbing the cameraman. He looks perfectly fine in the first shot. Presuming to know a dog's emotional state by ONE photo of a dog simply standing there is just preposterous.  I've lost track of how many shots I've taken of my dogs only to later see their expression looked nothing like their expression in person.

Bazza...take some of your own medicine and be civil and accept that others have the right to their comments...DO NOT TELL ME WHEN OR NOT TO POST!!!  I had thought that your childishness should be ignored, but first perhaps you need to be told that you are unpleasant, assume others too much, assume your own knowlege and importance far too much.

I have never presumed anything, nor tried to tell you things, you silly people have read stuff which doesn't exist.

The dog is clearly in pain, can't you see that?  Pam confirms that the dog is in pain.  Anyone should be able to see this, he'snot looking at a bird, he has pain in his eyes.  If you can't see it then you should be ashamed of yourselves, I laugh at your inability to do so....but perhaps your too far up someone's behind to actually look with knowlegeable eyes.

I confirm that there's something wrong with the dog, Pam has confirmed it's an injury, I have stated that I would like to see additional pictures, particularly before this injury before making any comments, rather than making such assumptions as you children do!

As for the pic not posted to attract comments, utter tosh! just like you seem to be spouting, totally pathetic, but indications of why sheps are in such a sorry state today!

I've been a career dog trainer for a decade, reading dogs is what I DO, and I make my living at it, so I must not be so clueless. We will have to disagree, as what I see is not what you see.

In the top photo the dog appears perfectly relaxed. In the second the dog's head is turned and does not allow the viewer to even see the dog's full expression. Everyone wants to be a bleeding heart and see something sad that isn't there, typical humanizing the dog. In spite of his recent injury he appears to be just fine. Wildmoor, were the pictures taken at the same time?

BTW: I'm not up anyone's behind. I don't know Wildmoor or his/her dog at all. I just felt your structural critique of the dog was largely inaccurate and decided to add in my thoughts.

I didn't post this thread to cause more arguments rather  to make a point, the abusive person who owns the blue dog on the other thread stated my dog was 'over angulated' I don't think he is.
The pictures were taken seconds of each I would have to look at the numbers to see how many.
He does need to lose weight and he has gained 2kg, it wont take long to get off though.
As I myself take the photos I do not have many as I am either training or if just exercise I take 3 dogs together with the size of camera and lens this is not always feasible.
Like a lot of GSDs he doesn't show pain the way you and I do in-fact he only limps after rest, 1 dog I had to use as an example completed a track in the morning and was pts on the operating theater in the afternoon after suffering from a spleenic tumor. Maybe it is because they want to please or he just enjoys life. On the above pictures he had been running around with 5 other dogs for a hour and it was difficult in getting him still long enough to take photos without the others getting in the way as 3 of them were not mine.
I do have some shots from New Years day but lighting conditions are not good I would be happy to post them but again not in stance one standing one a multiple recall.
Sorry not read all the posts as I have been to the club training tonight.

As I thought. ;)

Wildmoor, you have a handsome boy and not extreme at all.

sorry not shown pics will re do, just uploading some more