Can BDGSDA be saved? - Page 4

>even though the presentation was agreed at EC level to be done by Shirley, (who had ready all the paperwork for them all - so that the floor could understand) .<

Penny, you make it sound even more like sour grapes!
Someone should have set a time limit on the presentation and allowed for both sides of the argument to be heard. That wasnt done, its too late now. The vote went against what you wanted (as it has done in the vast majority of other GSD clubs who are NOT obedience people) so just live with it!

Nothing that took place at the BDGSDA meeting was against the clubs constitution, and as for  the "for the betterment of the breed" point you try to make is only your own opinion. Others could (and  DO) see things differently.

Nothing at all stops you setting up on your own under whatever rules you decide would suit you. Of course you wouldnt be able to register the new club with KC, but being as you think they're damaging the breed then I dont suppose that will tropuble any of you.

 

Well said Bill! but you and I both know they will still be at KC events and they wont be turning away any awards being handed out!

Zac

Sorry you feel like you do, Zac... each to his own.

I will be at KC shows... if it suits me and mine.  As for accepting any awards being handed out... Christ, yes!  We've paid throught the bloody nose for them with the KC... I'll be happy to accept them, it's not like they'd be free, is it?

I will support the LG shows in any way I can, because I believe that's the way forward for us. 

 

Here , Here Jim (Jaymeisie),  Missbeeb and Mo , it is ALL about FREEDOM OF CHOICE, something the KC want to prohibit us from having (well without their permission that is). So I too will be attending both types of shows because the Freedom to Choose is the main thing I have been fighting against in this KC Undertaking (i.e. Item 9).
In My Opinion the REAL HYPOCRITES here will be those who believe that SIGNING THE UNDERTAKING IS THE WAY TO GO, the right thing to do etc etc and are then found to be attracting their dogs from outside the ring the same as they have always done ,  that will demonstrate the true meaning of hypocracy i.e The we are going to sign the Undertaking but carry on breaking the rules regardless brigade.  Yes Sirree, we will soon see who the real hypocrites are then. Dont you agree Bill ?? lol
Whereas those who dont sign for whatever reason, be it because they believe it to be restrictive, unfair and/or even unworkable, have every right to turn up at a KC event because that is precisely what they are fighting for, the RIGHT TO HAVE A CHOICE. Furthermore they will also have every right to expect that those committees who do sign will ensure that all classes are judged in TOTAL STILLNESS AND SILENCE and they will report ANY judge seen to be promoting UNSOUNDNESS to the Kennel Club within 7 Days of the close of show. Dont you agree Bill ?? lol

By the way Mo, the Undertaking already states Clubs will be required to sign it every year. Indeed they will have to sign it twice this year as the KC want it signing again in October 2010 and then every year in October thereafter. 
  
Best Regards
Sue

Just an observation but a few month’s ago comments were abundant about breaking away from the KC and how it would be better for the breed if it were to break away from the KC form a new club along the SV lines and organise our own shows. The KC then sent out their now famous letter about withdrawing C.C’s which caused a great deal of anger and dissent about the loss of tickets and the reasons given for this action. The reaction from so many has been “foul”, “it’s illegal”, “a disgrace”, “we are being picked on again”. The result is that from reading many posts the general attitude is changing towards KC compliance. On this thread alone I have read “it’s about choice”, “I will have no worries about attending KC shows, “I am not damaging the breed by being there”, I will also go and enjoy other shows ex KC”. Apart from trying to get the best from both worlds is the situation becoming that by attending the KC shows are those exhibitors now saying the KC is right in it’s action and that the C.C’s are more important than getting a superior structure in place which will be more positive in the protection of the future of the breed. Whilst I agree that in a democratic society freedom of choice is of paramount important and worth fighting for the “choice” that is insidiously creeping up on many people is the choice of the KC.

I feel very strongly about the future of the breed and, for me, the future lies in the setting up of a superior system and, implementation of that system as the way forward. To do this sacrifices will have to be made by everyone that cares. With this in mind there is no way that I would support a KC driven system at this time. Where are so many who were supportive of an SV system now. Some still want KC shows and others have faded away as is usual.  Remember the old saying "you cannot have your cake and eat it".

Mackenzie

Miss Beeb thank you for your comments.

Firstly, I am very much aware that some people see me as being a damp squib at times but there again not everyone likes the unpalatible truth.  Secondly, I do not think that I am the only one who cares about the breed.  Many of the PM's that I have received are from people that are in agreement with much of what I have written.  Most of these make no contribution to the forums.

It seems to me that for those that want to do both i.e. sit on the fence is doing exactly what the KC want you to do.  They want to make you toe the line until they think up ways to stop what you need to do.  Fence sitting is for those without resolve, courage and, prepared to make the necessary sacrifices to achieve what is really best for the breed.  All that has been seen so far is a lot of bluster and hot air.

You are right in saying that I am not in the UK, no secret, but I have been considering returning to the UK which why I post on the database.   Although I have faith I have not yet seen a real leader come forward with the determination, courage and knowledge to lead the breed into the future.

Mackenzie

Well said missbeeb at this moment in time the KC shows will be in the majority and as showing my dogs is my hobby then i will still attend the KC shows but in time the LG shows will start to grow and when they do then that will be my prefered show as i along with countless others health test my dogs then showing in shows that require this is for me they way to go it costs money to do all the health tests so surely to do these tests for the benefit of your own breeding and the breed as a whole makes sense and to be able to attend shows that are for like minded people who put the health of the breed first has to be good in the long run, I  am not being a hypocrite i am exersising my freedom of choice which in this country is still my democratic right and to all these yes voters please remember that any enjoyment of your hobby under the KC undertaking will be NILL  that is what you have said yes to a hobby that will be like watching paint dry
jim h

Unfortunately, Mackenzie is right – ‘a few months ago comments were abundant about breaking away from the KC and how it would be better for the breed if it were to break away from the KC to form a new club along the SV lines and organise our own shows’.

That is the only long term answer and, like Mackenzie, all I see is a rowing away from it.

Mo, you say, ‘That is a set of tickets that might just go to the Golden Boys of the KC Eyes - it seems a lot to submit to’. Well, I for one don’t give a tinker’s cuss about the KC or their ‘tickets’. Let us be clear about this. The wonderful ‘CC tickets’ that clubs are voting their souls away to keep and which many of you have indicated you wish to continue to take part in are worthless. Yes, worthless. They have no recognition anywhere else in the GSD world. And for good reason. Would Ch Linsdown Georgia and countless other KC ‘Champions’ rank anywhere in the German Sieger show do you think?

It would be better to break away from the KC to form a new club along the SV lines, to organise proper shows and to have standards for health and fitness for purpose which correspond to those which obtain elsewhere in the world. It is almost impossible to do that by cohabiting with the Kennel Club. Look at the constitution of BAGSDS for example

‘27, The Society must make a list of members and their addresses available for inspection if so requested by the members of the society or by the Kennel Club.
30, The Rules of the Association may not be altered except at an Annual General Meeting or Special General Meeting, and such alterations shall not be brought into force until the Kennel Club has been advised and given its approval of the alterations.
37, The Kennel Club shall be the final Court of Appeal in all matters in dispute between the Association and its members concerning the Association affairs and/or management, no matter in what manner arising.’

No doubt you will find similar crippling conditions in the constitutions of clubs throughout the country.

I have drafted a constitution for a new club along SV lines and which is open to comment by anyone who wishes to do so. That is only sure way of shaking free of this KC tyranny and to establish in the UK the standards for this breed which the rest of the world takes for granted.