DNA Parentage Scheme (UK) GSD organisations "failings" - Page 3

As far as DNA results being entered on the Survey Data there is no problem with the use of two schemes. This needs to be on the next  Breed Council Agenda and from a personal point of view I see no problem. The fact is , one scheme would be better and this is also something that should be discussed at a Breed Council Meeting where hopefully the League would be able to have some input. Both the League and BAGSD advertise the SV DNA test so there is no reason to think they would disagree with DNA being a requirement in  future in a UK Breed Survey, one of the compulsory features of an entry to the WUSV Events. To get proof of a proven parentage DNA result on any dog you have to have a starting point ie both parents are also DNA tested. This is  the difference  with hips and elbows where we have  the use of two schemes as they will never have to be linked to obtain  usefull Data such as we might require from DNA for proven parentage.
John Ward

Member

Will it be possible for any breeder to register their DNA results into the scheme whether they have their animals surveyed or not?  Also, would it be possible to extend this to a litter registration scheme running alongside the DNA scheme. I ask this in order to broaden the information pool as a benefit to all breeders.

In the Breed Council Breeders Charter it does say 
 
"To keep and to pass on to buyers of stock accurate records of health, pedigree and registration and to advise on feeding and rearing, and to suggest a Training or Breed Club".

Can this be extended to include DNA results?

Mackenzie

Sue

Both Abby Normal and myself have asked you for more information as to your comment in which you state “there are other things in the UK to which we do not have controlled access to and that, in your opinion, are far more important to have in place before any GSD parentage DNA scheme”. Are you in a position to provide this information?

John Ward

Are you in a position to comment on my last post directed to you?

Mackenzie

 As John Ward said on previous page, "Ideas on the way forward are good but better taken up by an organisation,with controlled Data."
As I said on previous page, "Getting the BC to do this would be like pulling teeth"  and bearing Johns comment in mind, the obvious organisation at the moment is the KC and we all know to get the KC to do this would be even harder than pulling teeth.
So, what do you think that IMO we could possibly need more urgently than setting up a parentage DNA scheme for the UK which is compatible with the one used in Germany?!   Hmmm!!
Best Regards
Sue  

A DNA Parentage Test provides the result of the test.

one of the following

recorded
proven
false

simple to administer

The information for the pedigree could be similar to that required on the Hips & Elbow schemes

The AHT are prepared to agree the necessary forms to go with the Tes,t with the GSD organisation that wants the DNA Parentage system.

Hardly rocket science!

Unless you have a dirty big database, capable of holding ALL GSD INFORMATION REQUIRED (Pedigree;s, Microchip ID numbers, Surveys etc) not to mention someone prepared to collect, input and regulary provide secure backups of all the information, the fact its not Rocket Science is totally irrelevant. Though expecting some people to accept that there is only so much volunteers with a limited amount of time and money to spare obviously is.
Regards
Sue b  

And who owns the database organised by John Ward? And who pays for all the input into it? As I said before, reliantant on the good will of others to give of their time and money. So perhaps a case of paralysis by analysis as far as the BC is concerned but this thread was headed GSD Organisations (plural) not singular and as the BC consists of many GSD Clubs why not name all the GSD Clubs in it rather than just the one? Because as sure as eggs are eggs the BC officers dont give a jot for anything the GSDL says, indeed they pay more attention to what the officers of the non BC member club (BAGSD), but then they do spend a lot of time sat around the KC tables with them. 
 

THREE National GSD Organisations run the British Sieger Event - this event was the first GSD Event in Great Britain to have an identity requirement - and a breed survey requirement which includes hips, elbows etc. amongst others. It is not much of a stretch of the imagination to add a DNA Parentage Test requirement to the Breed Survey. The Working Class requires aa Koerung, A Koerung requires an SV DNA Parentage Test.

Adding ONE more identification test result to our breed survey is surely not onerous.

There are people who have voluntarily established a computer database for our GSD breeds use, primarily for our GSD Breed Survey. I feel quite sure that the database is not solely owned by any one of our three National GSD organisations.

If funds are needed to help with this GSD database perhaps we should call for such fundraising efforts. I would definitely contribute.