Fleischerheim Kennels - Page 3

old shatterhand, yes, RBR's female is registered with the AKC, as she does come up in their on-line database. 

Thank you hexe.Here what i am thinking after looking at the pedigree and the picture of Zoie.The pedigree is not bad,has some very good dogs in the back,and the foundation on her is strong.Few dogs have not title nor hip elbows evaluation but that saying does not makes this female unworthy.The picture should be better but what i see is a very nice female with very good head,very good ears set ,strong bones,very good color,and if she has good sound temperament than she should be very good brood bitch.Before i decide to breed her i would do the hips,elbows,and if they are good than i would breed her.Many people have very nice dogs,but they don't have the recources like money,time,or devotion to title the dogs,they just don't care about those things,but if the dogs have good temperaments,hips elbows are good and no health issues i don't see any problems to breed them.Over the years i have seen many beatiful dogs coming from uknow parents but with strong proven bloodlines,many those dogs produce even better than VA dogs.

Those VA dogs in Germany are getting hundreds of breedings in they lifetime,they are bred to the best bitchis and you think they produce all the champions,than you are dead wrong.Some are consistent and produce many top progeny.Many of them produce just one or few quality progeny.And some of the dogs which are V30-V60 at the BSZZ if given a chance would produce better than the VA dogs.RBR Zoei is a very nice bitch and i wish you the best with her,if you like her,you like her personality,temperament do all those thinks i mention before ,breed her to nice male and you should be able to get something really nice out of your own breedings.

Thank you very much!! Yes zoie will have hips and elbows done when it's time. I have the DM test order but I have not received it yet? Other than those two test are there's thing else i need to do?

If she were mine, I'd probably have the OFA cardiac and thyroid certifications done as well; it seems to me that I've heard of more cases of congenital heart conditions coming out of the Eastern European show line kennels than I hear of from the West German kennels, even though the foundations behind both are the same, and hypothyroidism is a significant enough problem in the breed that it does warrent checking for and certifying free. It would break your heart if you were to breed Zoie and have a pup born with something such as sub-aortic stenosis or another heart condition, and while getting her cardiac certification isn't a 100% guarantee that this would never happen, if it did you would at least know you did what you had the power to do in order to avoid producing a pup with that kind of issue.

Edited because I wouldn't probably have them done, I would do them if I were going to breed any female, Eastern European show lines or not.

And old shatterhand is spot-on about the V-rated--and even the SG-rated--dogs at the Sieger shows. Generally speaking, the dogs I find most to my liking are not in the VA rings, or even among the upper V-ratings.  More people should be looking to the V-10 and unders, including the upper SG-rated dogs, because you're going to find the progeny of the previous VA's there, first off, and among those you'll find dogs that are more moderate in structure than what has been getting the VA ratings...and it's those more moderate dogs that we should be promoting,  not the extremes with the exaggerated arching of the topline and the overdone angulation that is too often in the first ring at these events.

Fleischerheim Kennels are a large operation of very high quailty,  West German Showlines (Usually)

I have a gorgeous red/black male from his kennel and bougth a Zamp Daughter from him a few years ago.

Very nice dogs but hge operation and kennels around the USA as far as I know.

Usually very pricey.