croups - Page 3

This is perfect Croup and more important perfect topline. In my opinion with little more forechest development this is the ideal GSD conformation.

Vonissk, If you like a detailed critique tell me and I will do that.

For the croup, slightly short (remember croup length is relative to total topline length), otherwise very good angle. Please note this dog is slightly stretched, but what bothers me more is his long loin, inbetween the blue markings. I would love to hear Blitzen and Hundmutter comments on him too.



Ibrahim

Yup.  I too think he is a bit long in the loin;
I also wish he had a better tail-set, there seems
a slight but distinct 'lift' just below (left of) your
2nd red mark.  Otherwise I think his topline is
very good, as far as the one photograph tells us
anyway.  Seems to fit that UK Standard's descrip-
tion I quoted (apart from the actual top of his tail). lol. 
Interestingly, in this dog, the long loin in my view makes
no difference to the length of his croup, which I do not
think is steep , but it is maybe a teensy bit short ?  **
Thank you Ibrahim b.t.w. for helping to point out something
that I forgot to mention originally, which is the
extent to which all measurements of length and
angles are dependent on the overall dog;  a very
large or very small dog will have differing measurements
to a correct medium size dog, even if they are right for
the individual.  I think that is what I was getting at when
I said to Vonissk that the differences are miniscule and
therefore everybody may see something preferable to
themselves ?

[Otherwise on this black dog:  looks correct size or sl. bigger;
good pigment; excellent ear set, expression (maybe a bit too
'lippy' though ?) rear angulation and pasterns. Good forechest;  
I think correct front angulation but he is stacked a little oddly, 
like he can't wait to run off after a rabbit or something !   What's
that (pink ?) mark on the inside of his left forefoot ?]

** Oh yeah, just re read your post and realised you did say  that !

Big gap between Ibrahim's 2 blue lines;
oughtta be shorter !  Makes him look as tho' he
has an extra hollow belly ...or as though his
rib cage is too short.

Hi Vonissk,

That is V4 Xander vom Weinbergblick

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=495339-xander-vom-weinbergblick

​I agree with Hundmutter on her critique, precise and detailed. I would love to hear Blitzen comments, though Blitzen doesn't do critiques often, her understanding of GSD construction and relation between various elements is unquestionable, her comments are always educating and many times present what I call "The Third Dimension" which makes a GSD viewd better.

Ibrahim
 

I'm going to disagree a bit about the black dog. The loin is the last 7 vertebrae of the spine. The "tuck up" is the flank. I suspect this dog may not be in the best condition since his flank appears to be concave. He may be a little underweight too. Without seeing him move I can't comment one way or another if this is a fault in this particular dog. The length of the flank doesn't seem to be as important as the flexibility. The loin and the flank provide the only flexibility in any dog's back. Otherwise it is rigid. Herding dogs need to turn quickly so a longer flank such as this dog's may be a benefit. Still his flank looks weak in this photo. If I were to fault this dog in any way judging by this photo, I would want to see a longer back, he seems too square to me. As Hundmutter pointed out, his rib cage appears to be too short. He also appears to be lacking in bone. Overall not a very harmonious dog IMO.

IMO the black sable needs a longer upper arm, stronger pasterns,and as Ibrahim said, a more prominent prosternum. I"m also wondering about his feet.  Otherwise a nice looking dog.

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