Looking for Stud dogs - Page 3

Forta z Danaru, Taz, Amanda Canyon, Adre Biblefeld (sp) just to name a few did well in your care? NOT. All of these dogs suffered in your "CARE" not mentioning the puppies you allegedly threw in the firepit.

People do your RESEARCH on TIMOTHY HELSER!!!!!!

Jealous of you Helser? Highly unlikely. In fact, impossible.




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there are many excellent stud dogs advertised on this very forum and on other advertising sites dedicated to this breed.  Many available to outside females who are titled, KKl, hips/elbows and other health tests, proven to produce and excellent bloodlines.  I have a couple of these stud dogs available and a few more with frozen semen.  There are others spread throughout this country and europe.  Just look for yourself, contact the owner and do as much research and background checks as makes you comfortable with your choice of stud dog for your female.  Don't rely on the  many on this  board who have never even trained/titled their own dog let alone bred one who has been titled.  Don't believe anything you hear until you do your own research and find the facts for yourself.
molly
Eichenluft

Ok, how about this for advice to the OP?

Stay far and away from anything the likes of Helser has
to do with.

As for a suitable male, well, so much depends on what your bitch
has 'too much' and 'not enough' of, and you won't really know that
until she is more mature.  My best advice is, look to the proven stud
that throws certain traits no matter what female he is bred to. An older
male that will both compensate and compliment your bitch in both
their genotype and phenotype. I say older because those males will
have a decent record of production and it will allow you to look into their
previous progeny  and see if similar breedings have been done. This 
will also allow you to see what kind of overall hip/elbow etc production
the male has. 

Thank you Molly and Workingdogsz.  

Drama about Hesler is not needed.  I'm well aware of some of the things that revolve around that issue.  

There really isn't a lot of Workingline Stud Dogs in the Classified section that I found, at least that I would consider anyways.  And I know they are out there, and was curious as if they are listed anywhere else?  I saw your dogs Molly, and they are definitely on my list to look into.  I do want to stick with an older, proven stud for her first breeding as I don't know what SHE will pass on and not ever being bred, and will look into the progeny that's been produced by the stud. 

I have plenty of time as she is still young, in the process of training for titles and will need to finish health testing.  I really like Chuck vom Dorneburger Bach.  He is everything I want and love in a male. But the line breeding is 2-3 on Falk von den Wolfen.  So need to do a lot more research on health issues, temperment, etc surrounding this dog and other things as it's a tight linebreeding, although I know acceptable.  He is up there in age also, so I don't know if it will still be an option when the time comes.  

I know color isn't the most important factor, but I rather stick to a nice Black & Tan/red or Bicolor or Solid Black stud that meets all the criteria I'm looking for with temperment, health, structure, titiles, etc...   

I have heard that you need to watch nerves when breeding on Falk...... In that the dogs have a tendency to spiral in drive, up and up and up, and have difficulty containing themselves. I have only met a few Falk progeny myself, so take that for what it is worth, particularly when linebreeding.
I saw Chuck trial and was quite impressed with him on the field.
---Mary

"I know color isn't the most important factor, but I rather stick to a nice Black & Tan/red or Bicolor or Solid Black stud..."

Just out of curiosity, why would you exclude sables?

Thank you for that information Mary, I will defintely look into that.  Yes, I think Chuck is very impressive!  I really hope to have a dog by him if I don't have the oppotunity to breed to him myself.

Keith - Personal preference.  This female is a gorgeous sable, but I do really love the Bi-Color, Black & Tans/Reds, and lastly Blacks.  Sables are my least favorite, but I choose to buy this female even being Sable because she IS everything I'm wanting minus the color, but at least is a very  nice looking Sable girl.   Anytime I would breed would be to keep something for myself, and I believe I'm entitled to have a preference of color.  I won't exclude a Sable dog if he is the better choice for Sasanka. 

Champ vom Kretzschaurerland is another I'm looking into. 

"Keith - Personal preference.  This female is a gorgeous sable, but I do really love the Bi-Color, Black & Tans/Reds, and lastly Blacks.  Sables are my least favorite, but I choose to buy this female even being Sable because she IS everything I'm wanting minus the color, but at least is a very  nice looking Sable girl.   Anytime I would breed would be to keep something for myself, and I believe I'm entitled to have a preference of color.  I won't exclude a Sable dog if he is the better choice for Sasanka."

I thought you might be thinking along those lines and I understand but think you'll want to do some more research on color genetics because it's a little more complicated than simply mixing two dogs of different colors.  If your dog only carries two sable genes, for example, she will only ever produce sables.  Likewise, if she doesn't carry the black recessive, breeding her to a black dog will never result in any black puppies.  There are other possibilities based on her genes and those of the dog you might consider breeder her with but hopefully you get the idea...