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by Keith Grossman on 02 January 2013 - 17:01
If this was the case, dogz, I would agree with you but I see nothing whatsoever to suggest that any further guidance or training of either the dog or the owner comes with the $12,500.00 price of the 9 month old I mentioned. In fact, I'm fairly certain that it does not, ergo, not exactly sure what, "service," is being rendered beyond importing a puppy.
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by Hundmutter on 02 January 2013 - 17:01
if the buyer of Henry wants to sit with his feet up rather
than go out in the cold and keep up the dog's training.
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by Hired Dog on 02 January 2013 - 17:01
Also, could you imagine the seller telling the potential buyer that said 75K dog will NOT curl up under his feet....that he must take the dog out to train it? How many potential buyers would he lose?
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by Hired Dog on 02 January 2013 - 18:01
If an experienced person, pick anyone whom you respect, tells you that "this dog" is a great dog and should be bred to see if he can produce, would you still want to see titles?
If you owned such a dog, would a title make it produce better pups? I come from a different world then most in here and my questions are not meant to be disrespectful, I just never got this need for titles in order for a dog to be bred.
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by Hundmutter on 02 January 2013 - 18:01
then ?
What happens when someone buys one then comes back
18 months later - having not done enough refresher training
meanwhile - and says "This dog you sold me at great expense
let me get mugged " ?
by workingdogz on 02 January 2013 - 18:01
she aferall, will have the most impact overall on the puppies.
I guess I am like my friend eisenhaus, I'm from Missouri, I need
to have someone 'show me' rather than tell me how great a dog
is that has never left a yard. So to answer you, I would pass on that
super fabulous dog that has been bred 164 times for a breeding that
has a sire & dam been out in the public eye. Everyone has their preferences,
I have found over the years, that the average person's definition of
a 'good producer' is different than mine. I want facts and numbers I
can check up on, not just personal opinion. Titles are the best place I
can start with to check those facts. I want to know hip/elbow/overall health
production etc etc.
Since you asked me, now I'll ask you. What would you say would define
this very wonder dog that has no titles? What would make his progeny so
super fantastic that he would need no titles to validate him as breedworthy?
And why would his progeny be so super fantastic too? How would you be
validating that?
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by supakamario on 02 January 2013 - 18:01
by workingdogz on 02 January 2013 - 18:01
of just selling puppies, they more than likely sell a 'package' in essence,
a trained puppy. I'm betting that the 9 mos old puppy has some training,
is not some kennel raised shit flinging 'finger painting' spook that's never
seen a leash or collar.
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to Germany himself, (and likely still does) to select dogs for resale after
training. He has certain criteria that must be met, ie; these dogs must be
easy for the financially elite but non-experienced to handle and live with
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by Keith Grossman on 02 January 2013 - 19:01
My current pup almost sounds like he'd almost be a good candidate...with the exception of that whole, "easy for the financially elite but non-experienced to handle and live with," thing.
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by Hired Dog on 02 January 2013 - 19:01
Workingdogz, thank you for your reply. Here are the answers to your questions...I believe that at any given time, there are probably 5-7 dogs of any breed on this planet that can be called TRUE producers. I also assure you that none of these dogs have ever or will ever be near a show ring or IPO trial. They may be working at some Border patrol station somewhere or herding sheep at some mountain top.
What defines this "wonder dog" as you put it is a combination of things. Temperament, nerves, all of the things that anyone in the working dog world would want, but, in excess...
Training ability, the ability to withstand stress, etc. I am more comfortable with the Malinois breed, so, a dog like Nierlender's Egbert, Bart Bellon's demo dog will do. Anyone who has ever seen this dog work, will tell you without any hesitation that he should be bred, at least once, to see what he can produce.
Since breeding, ALL breeding, is a gamble, there is not a single dog in the world, titled or not, that can be guaranteed to produce what we want to see. IF that dog gets bred and IF he produces himself or better, then we can say that this dog, bred to this bitch produced very well.
Should that dog get bred to several bitches and continues to produce that well, he is a proven stud. That is how you validate this dog's worth as a breeding dog, titles be damned.
Again, ALL breeding is a gamble, but, when a dog produces himself consistently, what are titles for?
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