Sven vom Grafental - Page 3

You will have to ask Jacques.

Michele

t is, of course, important to remember to factor in the "quality" of your sources--not everything you hear online (or in person!) is true or accurate or the whole story. So verify everything you can by cross-checking information.
 

Really agree with this.

 

Kelly, I have wondered that. I have never met Sindy. I have had and known several very similarly bred dogs out of Saskia & Sally, but I haven't ever heard anything terrible about Sindy, personally, and interestingly, it's only her males (sons, grandsons, etc.) that seem to have these issues. I haven't heard the same out of Saskia or Sally as far as males go, but that's not to say it hasn't happened. Most of my experience with them (Saskia and Sally progeny) has actually been females, so I can't speak from personal experience on those two and their males. I have only seen Sindy males, and oy vey....I could certainly live the rest of my life without dealing with another one of those freaks in my house. There are just too many good dogs out there to waste the time and energy w/these unbalanced animals. I love when someone tries to defend them with a great story of how a young female is doing just great....well, that's wonderful. How about her male littermates? Are they still alive? LOL...only it's really quite sad.

I want to know how many dogs have to die in adolescence or shortly thereafter before breeders admit there's a problem and it's not fair to the dogs to breed them only to be killed. I guess I'm in the minority since I have an ethical problem with this.

And BTW, to those who say I'm not helpful because I didn't type 100 pages all over again...I did provide the links to some very interesting reading and debate, including some who have actually held these dogs on leashes and are speaking from what they've seen, not just heard, but the mods deleted the links and instead inserted a Google link. I didn't know we weren't allowed to post links. So, there you have it; I did try to help but it was deleted. I thought we only couldn't copy and paste from other forums, but apparently we're not even allowed to post links. I swore we just were told we could in the Breeder Greed thread. Oh well. My bad; my intent was to be helpful and still avoid excessive typing of things that have been said a zillion times.

If anyone is seriously interested in knowing where to go or who to ask for TRUE information w/no political spin, you can email me. This is my last post on the topic.  

Jenni, I emailed you for those links!

I reading what people are saying about what Sindy produces and I am thinking this dog must be the Devil!  LOL

But I am now hooked and very interested in this!

If you want a guarantee in a dog...then buy a Young Adult or an Adult Dog...

If you don't believe that the Dog in question IS what is said to be...then DON'T buy it...

Sometimes you just have to experience things for yourself...There's no guarantees in life...

I think too many people want a guarantee on a Puppy...a guarantee for what...?

~Bob~

About the testicle thing-- I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but Kopper is 4-4 on Sven and a Sven littermate (so Sven shows up once and his litter-sister shows up once) and we called him "yo-yo ball" when he was a pup.  One of his testicles was down when I brought him home, then up two days later at the vet, then down, then up again. . . . it didn't stay down until he was nearly 4 months old.  They're both down now.

I have linebred 4-3 on Sven. No issues with testicles. Canines were to come out very very slow. Both girls I kept, and I would assume Aurick as well, had complete dentition. Ava puppy has retained one baby P1 with the permanent one sitting next to it. One weak ear. Loong tails on the 2 girls I had, with the tip curling just a ted at times (need too watch if Ava grows out of that; none of the parents had any problems with teeth, ears or tails). Both girls were on the shyer site as small pups but overcame this. Very aloof to strangers, intolerant of other dogs outside my pack. Good drives, excellent food drive. Doing well in SCHH training. The boys appear to come temperament wise after daddy, can be more serious and all snarly teeth, possessive, civil.

One known here is Aurick vom Goldwald, Cat and Jay's boy.

Gawd, I'm glad you mentioned that tail. I wondered what was up with that; are her legs too short or is her tail too long? LOL  She retained one baby canine, but the day before I was due to take her into have it pulled, she broke it off and the dead part came right out in a couple days when I grabbed it w/a tweezer. Full dentition and very nice bite otherwise. Definitely on the quieter, shyer side (than I'm used to anyway) with zero interest in strangers (which I love),  a healthy dose of suspicion, very warm with family, super with kids and very very mature about this, great with other dogs (no issues w/outside dogs either w/Anya- I could take her anywhere), but still had pretty decent drives for sport or personal protection. Very very nice "off switch." Calm but persistent and tenacious about what she wants, slightly dominant, esp. for a female of her age. I do see similarities between Anya and other similarly bred dogs in certain little quirks/mannerisms/tendencies. It truly is not Sven throwing the true problems.

From what I heared from some Germans even Sindy herself was ok, descriping her as a "rough bitch". Its not so that there was intentional breeding on bad temperament. It appears more that the combination of the genes just did not "click". Nobody really wants to talk about it anymore, answeres are difficult to get.

Linebreeding on Sven seems to be ok. Many of the east german line dogs here in the US have Sven in them, often are already linebred on Sven. Do we really want to continue going down this bottleneck?

hello 090,
Good place to start with questions (sometimes)
I have some personal experience, limited more to Boban.  As some have said, there seems to have been some problems with this particular breeding.  I like Sven and I like Sindy's ped.  Some good working girls.  This combo just seemed to not work out as Elkoorr stated.  Genetics are not always predictable.  Breeding from these lines may be more of a crap shoot.  I would not do it and I do not intend on breeding my male.  I do know his litter brother is an LE dog and a very tough one at that. 

My boy is what I want.  He is not what most want.  He is not a Schutzhund dog, not great in OB.  Prey is fair to good, but defense is strong.  Does not fear man and is always ready to meet a challange. Very quick to the draw.

Most do not like this in a GSD, want more well rounded.  In a perfect world so would I, however, for what he brings to the table in serious protection and fight drive I love.  He is the one I want with my wife when I am not home.  On the down side, I have to watch him in public.  He will not tolerate someone invading our space nor will he tolerate someone starring at him, he will stand up and talk to them.  He, like many DDR dogs is very affectionate with me and my wife.  He dies and goes to heaven when my wife shows him attention.  He is very strong, and nice to look at if you like dark heavy bone and head.

So it is a personal thing, what a person is looking for.  To compare dogs to say firearms, one could ask, "what is the best dog or what is the best firearm".  The answer is what you have need of at the time.  He does not place well with many dogs in Sport, but he is number one in defense and that is what I rely on.  I have another dog that fills the other bills.  The two make a great pair.

Not sure if this helps, just my experience.