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Alph?  Tracking is easy?  Why don't you share some of your big scores with the crowd?  Then share the scores from the other 2 phases at the same trial?  This SchHI track that you mentioned, was it in a trial?  Aged the proper amount of time?  Laid properly?  Walked at the end of a 10 meter leash with no verbal or line help?  No training collar?  Proper article indication?  Who was the judge?

Dude, tracking is easy. That's why nobody spends the time on it and they fail that phase more than the other two

duderino .. without being indignantor sarcastic [ i can't beleive your post]  ... but come on .. you should know ... you've trained dogs ... : a dogs nose .. they can scent one molecule /billion .. they have the capability to scent out a scent in the whole entire state building in the USA !! the dog instinctively , innately uses it's nose .. they don't need us . Tracking is simply : "dog this is what i want you to do with your nose .. follow the scent on the ground " ! NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO COMMUNICATE ... [ we don't have to so call teach this , the dog can do that on it's own , follow a scent !!!]. At 10 weeks old .. i already start my dogs off teaching tracking , varible surfaces , turns right away , around obstacles with , othew dogs , people and other ways to cross the track .. through water ,snow , mud , whatever ,aged tracks !! ,   in wind . !  in tracking , WE make the issues , the dog can use it's ownnose  .. i have no problem seeing my dogs follow a rabbit track in my backyard .. they know how to , as stated .. AND by Golly , all you have to do to start is simply  put a scrumptious piece of food and asscociate with a footprint and help the dog be correct to understand and execute  your request as a pup .. on the other hand : if you cannot train a sch track 1 in weeks either you have a lazy , stupid or a low motivated dog [ barring nose medical issues] !! please .. anyone that doesn't understand this IMO without intention of sarcasm or being mean ... , but in essence , is ignorant when it comes to canines !! BTW sometimes i do trial in sports .. but IMO many , not all , but a good number of people  that trial are obsessive / compulsives in the sense that they worry about a dam point .. i am more interested in' me and my dog ' - and i have no ego , nor do i value myself or my dog on what score it got or didn't get .. .... .. IMO i could care less about points -  but in protection , like many on this PDB .. show me a dog that will take you down ..take you out ! who the hell cares about a trial point  show me the dog that can actually find someone lost , that's important , who the hell cares about points !! as stated by me ad naseum on this PDB .. training is just communicating, a manifestation of human/canine relationship ,  and a way of life / living between the two . trackinmg is not hard , time consuminmg - yes ,,,, but not hard, almost not even a challenge  .. it's the most natural thing a dog can do , even with it's eyes shut !!

Most people do end up doing whatever is available. It is fun to tease others about their sports though. In FR I see a lot of trials in EU for the GSD that look like the dobermann trials here. Just going through the motions in the bitework. I also see that the handlers are a lot older, so maybe they are just out there to trial and keep their traditions around. Same with Campane (I can not spell that for some reason today) you see a lot older people out there doing their thing. They don't even close off the parks that they rent, you see people watching and milling about. How cool is that ? I hear it is sorta dying off over there. A shame. We don't have the traditions they do. We are too busy on here giving each other crap. HA HA

It would be nice to see people not freak out because there is no club (whatever sport you want that is not available) and just start looking for others in their area, and just start training. It is not easy, and of course you will make mistakes, but as long as you keep a fun attitude, your club will grow and progress. 

Alph, that's a pretty long winded response considering you did not answer one of my questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ7vIufVkCk&feature=related 

dude .. if he trialed or not is not relevent to my post .. to the post .the fact remains: tracking is not hard !!. a trial does not make a dog .. but what i will tell you : my mentor a SV judge tested him on his ability to Sch1 track ..he approved and acknowlewdged his ability .  that was all he as a long hair , nuetered male needed.  he he did more than well in all his performances... and that for our conversation as an answer is sufffice. BTW as you know from most other posts I do french ring . for the record  i have in the past trained a number of GSDs  dogs for Sch .. one special one went back to Germany and she trialed !! nor would i put you on the spots and ask about your accomplishments.. IMO working with your dog should be about your relationsahip , bettering yourself , your dog and living a wonderful life .. at least that is my perspective .. I declined to send one of my GSDs to Bundessiegerprufung [ i could be a wise guy and ask - did you ever train such a dog? but please don't answer , it's not important to me] . as well as show a female of mine that was invited to show IN GERMANY  because of her caliber , as i wrote before , i declined [ did you ever have such high quality GSD the Germans wanted to show YOUR  dog ? again don't answer ] .. just IMO show me the dog , show me what it can do .. what is better ? the dog who gets a Sch1 track or a dog w/o title  when called upon can go out and track/find someone . tracking is not hard.. please if you argue otherwise you risk people reading these posts that are vered to think you ___ .  .. yet .. i hear no rebutle in reference to what i wrote about a canines ability , now did I ?? you still think tracking is hard ?? time consuming yes .. BTW  in the country , with many variables .. i never see any of my dogs fiddle around following an animals track .. they don't seem to worry or have trouble negotiaing  terrain , age , weather , wind , turns .. and these are just plain 'ol simple home companions GSDs ..  .. i should ask them ? where did you guys learn to track ..

Tracking is obviously hard if it´s should be performed the way to get high scores in SCH, why else are there pretty few that have tracking scores of 95 and above in big championships like the WUSV for example, we are not talking about tracking from A to B in whatever style the dogs likes to. Winning or placing very high in WUSV or the FCI world championship is probably the hardest thing to do compared to any dogsport due to the large number of participants, or is this wrong? If it takes a better dog than other sports is a different question.

So Alph, that IS you in the video clip.  Your dog is good because you said so.

it is not easy to get the high scores in Schh on the worldwide competitions, but I will say that it takes an incredibly good trainer to train a dog to those world championship s more than you need a good dog. I believe that most of the god schh dogs are mostly there trainers not the dog

since everything is in perfect and perfectionist to achieve high marks  t     

hey dude .. i never never never demo my dogs let alone make a video .. !! my GSDs are not in my life for my gratification or ego ..  their accomplishments is for us  there is no ulterior motive in having dogs for mere but the love of the dog .. it accepts me unconditionally  and so i it.  ,,,  that is just me .. a motto in my life ; i caer not what others do or don't do , say or don't say  but rather what is importantto me  is being responsible for what i do / don't do and say /don't say . such is it the same way with my dogs .. trialing is for fun .. but that is as far as my interest goes . no ego . i wish no placements  , no prizes , no money, no recognition of any sort !! .  .. trying to be honest , yet with humility .. i can personally say i have accomplished what i set put to do in training canines. i know some that have gone to the nationals , some set on going top the WUSV .. and for them to want my dog or a dog trained as mine was ..even people that are the best rtraioners in europe !! that is satisfying enough- i need no more .  . now if anyone gets out there to train with their dogs .. in my mind .. they alteady have gotten the prize , irregardless of titles , national /international trials etc. all my dogs 11 curently live in my house , a part of my life.. some of my friends have nice trophies for 1st placings in ring , or 2,3 placing in PSA ... their dogs live outside and are lucky to get a pat on the head .. sao who cares about great vidoes of dogs , prizes / placements .. not if that is living with your dog.. so please don't be so condescending to me.. you don't know me , never have seen what my GSDs are / have done , who i have trained with , who has taught me , what i am proficient in .. tracking is not hard--  but if you wish to say it is think it is no matter what level of tracking -- then  ok, i accept that from you  ..  , and as far as a national tracking or any other tracking , most of the time it is training or handler error.. again : the dog knows how to use it's nose ... when a dog does not perform .. i don't know about you .. as long as the potential is there .. my first thought is -what did I FAIL to communicate [ i don't blame the dog] .. right now i have a 9 week pup already putting her nose to the ground ..this i will share for those interested[ and for those thinking tracking is hard ]  .. i hand fed her , still do ... now she  follows the hand ---now i can  i simply have her nose touching /in contact with  my hand ,i  slowly bring my hand to the ground and simulataneously state "such" and feed her with her nose always in contact to the ground  !!. i rtepeat 3 x day .. every meal , every snack/treat... i do this for days .. i already know with this pup .. when she hears the word 'such' in  a couple more weeks .. when she hears " such" ,  where do you think her nose will instantly go ? -- for this is what is taught "when you hear the word such -nose to the ground"[ seek the track ].  , .right to the track ... [ next fundamental : follow the scent on the track- always  , third fundamental : nothing matters , nothing, nothing  but the track [ ie ignore anything other / avoid distractions] - first day tracking , every distraction possible is there , ]. so you see .. tracking right from the basic first step is soooo easy to teach . you  help make the dog correct/ alays set the context and dog up for success..  .. it is not rocket science !!! -- it is low stress and a very very easy , positive leisurely pastime.