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by Hedi on 26 April 2011 - 11:04
Well, I would say if the GSDCA-WDA and the UScA is hosting the qualifier for the WUSV....it would only seem logical that UScA will recognize the GSDCA-WDA titles (regardless of judge affiliation)?
by Dog1 on 26 April 2011 - 11:04
Heidi,
Interesting point. I think the answer is; 'in some cases yes.' This is where the rules get even trickier. Some USA trial judges are SVR (SV Recognized). The trials judged by the USA SVR judges are recognized across the board here and in Germany. There are USA trial judges that have not gained SVR status. I believe the GSDCA-WDA and USA would recognize the titles in the US, they would not be recognized in Germany as I understand the current rules.
As you plan your dogs' career, it's important to understand all the rules and their long term implications. You'll need to plan a program that suits the dog. If your dog will be US based it's entire life, you have more options than if it will ever go to Germany. Otherwise you wind up with accomplishments that are not recognized and you may need to repeat one of your previous accomplishments under another judge.
As you can see, this can be very complicated as the rules change frequently and interpretations of existing rules change.
Interesting point. I think the answer is; 'in some cases yes.' This is where the rules get even trickier. Some USA trial judges are SVR (SV Recognized). The trials judged by the USA SVR judges are recognized across the board here and in Germany. There are USA trial judges that have not gained SVR status. I believe the GSDCA-WDA and USA would recognize the titles in the US, they would not be recognized in Germany as I understand the current rules.
As you plan your dogs' career, it's important to understand all the rules and their long term implications. You'll need to plan a program that suits the dog. If your dog will be US based it's entire life, you have more options than if it will ever go to Germany. Otherwise you wind up with accomplishments that are not recognized and you may need to repeat one of your previous accomplishments under another judge.
As you can see, this can be very complicated as the rules change frequently and interpretations of existing rules change.
by Bob McKown on 26 April 2011 - 12:04
Hedi:
Why would you assume that?. The only reason there is a qualifier is because Germany has mandated it so. It doesnt mean that either organization is working together. There just doing it because it was mandated by the Germans. I would try to read nothing more into the qualifer then face value at this point in time.
Why would you assume that?. The only reason there is a qualifier is because Germany has mandated it so. It doesnt mean that either organization is working together. There just doing it because it was mandated by the Germans. I would try to read nothing more into the qualifer then face value at this point in time.
by Hedi on 26 April 2011 - 22:04
Darn. I am reading to much into it, wishful thinking I guess. I did recieve an e-mail informing me that the UScA will not honor titles earned at a GSDCA-WDA trial. But the GSDCA-WDA will. That is what I am understanding up to this point in the thread. I am not much one for all this complicated paperwork stuff....I just want whatever book to work anywhere with anyone.
Dog1-I will be trialing in the US and in Germany...so that I why I am very much wanting to be sure I get the right thing. I have no issue with joining the SV...but then I would have to be aware of the whole judge thing and then if I were interested or able to goto any type of nationals I would have to join one of the two anyway. It would be much more simple if both organizations would merge, work together or something. Maybe the Germans can mandate that too.
Where is this list of SVR judges and where can I find these rules in print?
Dog1-I will be trialing in the US and in Germany...so that I why I am very much wanting to be sure I get the right thing. I have no issue with joining the SV...but then I would have to be aware of the whole judge thing and then if I were interested or able to goto any type of nationals I would have to join one of the two anyway. It would be much more simple if both organizations would merge, work together or something. Maybe the Germans can mandate that too.
Where is this list of SVR judges and where can I find these rules in print?
by Dog1 on 26 April 2011 - 23:04
Heidi,
USA recognizes results from WDA events if the Judge at the event is an SV judge. Just go back to my original post and join the organizations, get the scorebook, have it certified and you are as covered as you can be. From that point show, trial, and breed survey under SV judges and you're good. You will need to get your dogs' hips and elbows certified through the SV using the WDA. If your dog is going overseas, get a set of hip and elbow x rays while your dog is in the US so you know they are good. Once your dog is in Germany get them done through the SV.
USA recognizes results from WDA events if the Judge at the event is an SV judge. Just go back to my original post and join the organizations, get the scorebook, have it certified and you are as covered as you can be. From that point show, trial, and breed survey under SV judges and you're good. You will need to get your dogs' hips and elbows certified through the SV using the WDA. If your dog is going overseas, get a set of hip and elbow x rays while your dog is in the US so you know they are good. Once your dog is in Germany get them done through the SV.
by Hedi on 27 April 2011 - 02:04
Too much XYZ. I think I have it figured it out. Too bad that there is no reciprocity among the clubs in both directions. So the main thing is have a SV judge sign off and you are good to go. If you are wanting to goto the AWDFs you have to have a UScA scorebook. The UScA book will enable you also to participate in GSDCA and DVG events as well (on a club level). GSDCA you can participate in GSDCA events and DVG trials? For GSD national events you have to be a member of that particular parent organization in order to participate and then you could goto the "combined" WUSV qualifier (with both UScA, GSDCA-WDA judges)-that is almost a contradiction right there...they can judge together but UScA will not honor GSDCA-WDA titles....wow.. So do I have it all straight now?
Dog1-Both the GSDCA and the UScA offer an "a" stamp program that you can participate in provided you are a member of either club.
Dog1-Both the GSDCA and the UScA offer an "a" stamp program that you can participate in provided you are a member of either club.
by Dog1 on 27 April 2011 - 03:04
Yes, I know that..sometimes there are reasons suggestions are made. Free advice to follow if you would like.
by jletcher18 on 28 April 2011 - 23:04
i have wda and dvg titles listed in my usca scorebook. i have usca titles in a wda scorebook. the main sticky point in all of this has to do with breed surveys. both wda and usca offer kor's through the SV. the sv requires that the ad, bh, schutzhund title, and show rating be done under an sv or sv recognized judge.
your best bet for info would be to contact the offices of both clubs.
http://www.germanshepherddog.com/ usca
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/wda_new/index/index.html gsdca-wda
john
your best bet for info would be to contact the offices of both clubs.
http://www.germanshepherddog.com/ usca
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/wda_new/index/index.html gsdca-wda
john
by Hedi on 30 April 2011 - 00:04
OK...I am offically confused.
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