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by Elkoorr on 03 September 2010 - 19:09
In the last SE regional show there was a young dog that to my knowledge got excused from the ring because of a missing P1. The SV judge said that he would not give a show rating on a dog with a missing tooth (no bad rating either). If memory serves me right it was in the 9-12 mo females.
by Prager on 04 September 2010 - 00:09
Maybe it was missing tooth but not P1? Right?
by VonIsengard on 04 September 2010 - 01:09
Alphapup:
KKL1 = recommended for breeding
KKL2 = suitable for breeding
Take it up with the SV, it's their standard.
KKL1 = recommended for breeding
KKL2 = suitable for breeding
Take it up with the SV, it's their standard.
by Abby Normal on 04 September 2010 - 08:09
@Oso
Long coat was once considered a disqualifying fault, but I do not think any breeder has tried to eliminate this gene by not breeding from any dog who could potentially pass it on, it would simply be a waste of good dogs and the consequences are not serious enough to worry about.
Not exactly the same scenario as you mention above, BUT certainly in the UK I know of at least one breeder who has had a dog genetically tested for the LC gene, and the (stud) does not carry the gene. It is therefore advertised for use to avoid production of LC's.
I am sure that there must be more than just this particular breeder worlwide who has done this.
Long coat was once considered a disqualifying fault, but I do not think any breeder has tried to eliminate this gene by not breeding from any dog who could potentially pass it on, it would simply be a waste of good dogs and the consequences are not serious enough to worry about.
Not exactly the same scenario as you mention above, BUT certainly in the UK I know of at least one breeder who has had a dog genetically tested for the LC gene, and the (stud) does not carry the gene. It is therefore advertised for use to avoid production of LC's.
I am sure that there must be more than just this particular breeder worlwide who has done this.
by Jen_j41 on 04 September 2010 - 20:09
Anyways, I didn;t even want to breed the dog. I wanted to do schutzhund with the dog AND do conformation. Thats all.
by oso on 04 September 2010 - 22:09
Yes, Abby, you are correct, I believe that now there are tests available there has been some effort made by certain breeders not to produce long coats, however most of the VAs can produce them and I do not think a high proportion of long coat carriers carriers will not be bred just because of this.......
Jen, you will be able to title your dog in Schutzhund with no problem, but I would not recommended participating in conformation shows (unless of course that tooth does eventually appear) as your dog will be placed behind dogs that may otherwise not be as nice as yours....(this probably happened with the judge that Elkoorr mentioned, he did not want to place a nice dog at the back so recommended to the owner to withdraw it)..........
maybe worth getting that X-ray done anyway?
Jen, you will be able to title your dog in Schutzhund with no problem, but I would not recommended participating in conformation shows (unless of course that tooth does eventually appear) as your dog will be placed behind dogs that may otherwise not be as nice as yours....(this probably happened with the judge that Elkoorr mentioned, he did not want to place a nice dog at the back so recommended to the owner to withdraw it)..........
maybe worth getting that X-ray done anyway?
by Jen_j41 on 06 September 2010 - 01:09
I will get an xray done, maybe the tooth is under the gum and never came up? He did have all his teeth when he was a puppy. I dunno. I would like to get a breed survey on him if possible even if its only KKL2.....
by miles on 07 September 2010 - 04:09
I didnt read all the posts so I dont know if this was mentioned but if he had the tooth and it broke off, as long as at one time a vet had it in writing that all the teeth were there and in tact it wont effect the dogs ability to get KKL1 or a V rating if you show the notation to the judge
by Jen_j41 on 09 September 2010 - 01:09
All I need is to have a letter from the vet stating that the tooth was once there? Do I have to show proof of xrays to the judge or just a letter will sufice??
by Bhaugh on 18 September 2010 - 01:09
Well Alphapup I agree as you do. This may be a minor fault but there are dogs out there with NO faults (healthwise) so why breed to ones with minor ones. I understand that the poster isnt planning on breeding the dog but should the dog excel in schutzhund or the breed ring even, thoughts may change.
I look at it like this. If we look the other way at "minor" faults then it opens the door to looking the other way at other issues. Maybe this is why the breed has the problems it does. Just one too many of turning a blind eye.
I look at it like this. If we look the other way at "minor" faults then it opens the door to looking the other way at other issues. Maybe this is why the breed has the problems it does. Just one too many of turning a blind eye.
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