Which Half is Long Coated? - Page 3

3 coat types.........

WUSV Breed Standard
15) Coat
a) The medium smooth coated German Shepherd Dog

The outer coat should be as thick as possible. The individual hairs are straight, coarse and lying flat against the body. The coat is short on the head inclusive of the ears, the front of the legs, the feet and the toes but longer and thicker on the neck. The hair grows longer on the back of the fore- and hind legs as far down as the pastern and the hock joint, forming moderate breeching on the thighs. The length of the hair varies, and due to these differences in length, there are many intermediate forms. A too short or a mole like coat is faulty.

b) The long smooth coated German Shepherd Dog
The individual hairs are longer, not always straight and above all not lying close to the body. The coat is considerably longer inside and behind the ears, on the back of the forearm and usually in the loin area. Now and then there will be tufts in the ears and feathering from elbow to pastern. The breeching along the thigh is long and thick. The tail is bushy with slight feathering underneath. The long smooth coat is not as weatherproof as the medium-smooth-coat and is therefore undesirable; however, provided there is sufficient undercoat, it may be passed for breeding, as long as the breed regulations of the country allow it. With the long smooth coated German Shepherd Dog, a narrow chest and narrow overstretched muzzle are frequently found.

c) The long coated German Shepherd Dog

The coat is considerably longer than that of the long smooth coat. It is generally very soft and forms a parting along the back. The undercoat will be found in the region of the loins or will not be present at all. A long coat is greatly diminished in weatherproofing and utility and therefore is undesirable.

 http://www.fci.be/nomenclatures_detail.asp?file=group2&lang=en

click on standards, then go to letter "D" for Deutscher Schäferhund:

COAT

MAKE UP OF THE COAT : The correct coat for the German Shepherd Dog is double coat (Stockhaar) with outercoat and undercoat. The outercoat should be as dense as possible, straight, harsh and lying close to the body. On the head, inside ears, on the front side of the legs and on feet and toes, the hair is short; it is slightly longer and more dense on the neck. On the rear side of the legs, the hair is longer extending to the pasterns and the hocks. It forms moderate « trousers » at the rear of the thighs.

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_standard.htm

Coat

Coat Characteristics

The correct coat for the German Shepherd is a stock coat (outer and under coat). The top coat should be as tight as possible, straight, coarse, and clinging closely to the undercoat. The head, including the inside of the ears, the front of the legs, the paws, and toes have short hair. Neck hair is longer and thicker. On the rear side of the legs, hair length increases downward to the pastern and hock. The rear of the thighs is covered show moderate "pants

Your dog Langstockhaar, just like Sita. when they shed, the look quit a bit like a Stockhaar, but the extra long hairs eventually grow back again.



There seem to be 3 coat types and depending one the organization 1 or sometimes  2 are "acceptable".

For the purist, only one (Stockhaar) is "acceptable" for breeding, and all others are looked down apon.

Next year (rumor has it) the SV is creating a "Langstockhaar" breed registery.. The Langstockhaar's will be "equal but seperate" For whatever that's worth.

The Langhaar is still an eliminating or disqualifying fault.

http://www.fci.be/nomenclature.aspx  3 coat types, two are eliminating faults......

COAT
MAKE UP OF THE COAT : The correct coat for the German Shepherd Dog is double coat (Stockhaar) with outercoat and undercoat. The outercoat should be as dense as possible, straight, harsh and lying close to the body. On the head, inside ears, on the front side of the legs and on feet and toes, the hair is short; it is slightly longer and more dense on the neck. On the rear side of the legs, the hair is longer extending to the pasterns and the hocks. It forms moderate « trousers » at the rear of the thighs.

ELIMINATING FAULTS :
- Long outercoat (long, soft, not flat lying top coat with undercoat, feathers on ears and legs, bushy « trousers » and bushy tail with plume underneath (Langstockhaar).
- Long coat (long, soft top coat without undercoat, mostly parted in middle of back, feathers on ears, legs and tail (Langhaar).

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_standard.htm  - 3 coats, 2 are disqualifying

Coat
Coat Characteristics

The correct coat for the German Shepherd is a stock coat (outer and under coat). The top coat should be as tight as possible, straight, coarse, and clinging closely to the undercoat. The head, including the inside of the ears, the front of the legs, the paws, and toes have short hair. Neck hair is longer and thicker. On the rear side of the legs, hair length increases downward to the pastern and hock. The rear of the thighs is covered show moderate "pants".

Disqualifying Faults
k) Long stock coat (long, soft loosely fitting outer coat with undercoat, flags on ears and legs, bushy pants and bushy tail with flag on underside);

l) Long coat (long, soft outer coat without undercoat). This coat type frequently is parted along the center line of the back, has flags on ears, legs, and tail.

Nope Sitasmom once again you are confused.  

The first link I provided was to the current FCI/WUSV standard and the 2nd was to USAs interpretation of the SV standard.  Since 1997 long stock and long coats have been disqualifying faults with FCI/WUSV, SV, USA

The SV has officially stated long stock coats will no longer be disqualified and that they will be their own variety. Long coat (no undercoat) will still be a disqualifying fault.  This has been well publicized here and everywhere else on the net.   Why you would say "rumor has it" is beyond me. 

I'm confused a lot.......Just so I'm completely clear on this subject......here's my thinking........

I say "rumor has it", because as stated in previous posts, by others, "We'll believe it when we see it". It has also been said on this board that the politics are so strong at the SV, that it may take many years to actually create the "breed standard for coated shepherds" and therefore may take many, many years to implement the new registry.

I used your links to find the text....from above.......but failed to add the AKC standard......

The AKC breed standard reads that a longer coat is a fault, but not disqualification.

I have a feeling this is where the "plush coat" or "show coat" terms are coming from. Breeders try to breed dogs with as fluffy a coat as possible, and still be "faultless".

http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm
Coat
The ideal dog has a double coat of medium length. The outer coat should be as dense as possible, hair straight, harsh and lying close to the body. A slightly wavy outer coat, often of wiry texture, is permissible. The head, including the inner ear and foreface, and the legs and paws are covered with short hair, and the neck with longer and thicker hair. The rear of the forelegs and hind legs has somewhat longer hair extending to the pastern and hock, respectively. Faults in coat include soft, silky, too long outer coat, woolly, curly, and open coat.

Disqualifications
Cropped or hanging ears.
Dogs with noses not predominantly black.
Undershot jaw.
Docked tail.
White dogs.
Any dog that attempts to bite the judge.

AKC standard?!?!  Let's not muck up the works by bringing that silly thing into this discussion!!!!!  

But I do see what you are saying, if you add the AKC standard for the ASS they do not disqualify long coats without undercoat or even wire coats.