Ursus Von batu in Each Pedigree(why?) - Page 3

Yes, I am quite sure that is the case, 5 of them do have Ursus and I know there has been concern about the need to promote other bloodlines too.

Not all stud dogs can produce good males.  Ursus was a producer of good males as well as females (male dogs influence the breed more than females).  He also produced sound temperament and good working ability along with the fault of a short angulated croup.  If you are lucky enough to live with direct Ursus progeny, you will know why the dog is so prevalent in the pedigrees.  It is type, character, good heads, good color and the ability to perform on the protection field.  His line produced 2 X VA 1 Yasko, VA1 Tabatha (bitch),   His line was so consistent in good production that there was almost a bottleneck and alternatives were sought.  

But he was one of the most influential dogs in the breed in the past 10 years. 

As I understand it, his owners never sold him and he remained in good hands to his last days.  That is very comforting to know. 

I have a female pup GSD that has him:
Sire of my pup:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/450109.html
Dam of my pup:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/592502.html

Another era, another dog, but the same conversations!
Twenty years ago the talk was of Uran Wildsteiger Land, when it should have been about Palme, who actually had far more influence on the breed being the dam of more than just one VA son and before that, Canto, Quanto, Mutz not forgetting Horand himself !! . But it is good to talk.  The secret is in not doubling up on any of them until at least the 3rd generation and only then if you need to.

Regards
Sue b

Ok Thanks everyone. So i understand from the replies, that he was an excellent producer & produced a 2x world seiger  himself.

Interesting that no-one commented about the satured genetics in the showline - of which this is an example.

Well we did actually, as I mentioned 4 of this year's 9 VAs do not have Ursus and I think there has been deliberate attempt to diversify the bloodlines. But Ursus not only produced a double sieger (who in his turn produced another 2 x sieger and more VAs), but also other sons who have been popular and much used and this line continues to produce VAs - eg Ghandi Arlett - Ingodds Agassi and Uran Moorbeck (father of VA Quenn, father of more VAs) just as a couple of examples. So Ursus has made, and is continuing to make an enormous contribution and I also think that most showline breeders and the judges of the sieger show are aware of the need to diversify too.

This is kinda neat.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/top_gsd_bszs.html

Seat /         Dog /         Score /        How often participated
1 2X VA1 Larus von Batu 117 5
2 2X VA1 Fanto vom Hirschel 112 4
3 2X VA1 Quando von Arminius 109 5
4 VA Cralo von Haunstetten 103 4
5 VA1 ´92´ Zamb von der Wienerau 102 5
6 VA2 Cash vom Wildsteiger Land 102 6
7 VA2 Karly von Arminius 98 6
8 VA1 Canto von Arminius 96 4
9 VA2 Tell vom Grossen Sand 95 5
10 2X VA1 Yasko vom Farbenspiel 94 4
11 VA1 Lasso vom Neuen Berg 94 5
12 VA1 Jeck vom Noricum 94 4
13 VA1 Pakros d' Ulmental 93 5
14 VA1 Marko vom Cellerland 92 4
15 VA1 '98 & '99 Rikkor von Bad-Boll 92 4
16 2X VA1 Natan von der Pelztierfarm 91 4
17 2X VA1 Tina vom Großen Sand 88 3
18 VA2 Timo vom Berrekasten 88 5
19 2X VA1 Uran vom Wildsteiger Land 87 3
20 VA2 Grando vom Patersweg 87 4
21 VA2 Quantum von Arminius 86 5
22 VA1 Visum von Arminius 85 4
23 VA1 Ulk von Arlett 84 4
24 VA1 Nathalie von der Wienerau 83 4
25 VA Claus vom Haus Werle 83 4
26 VA1 Eiko vom Kirschental 82 4
27 VA1 Chipsi van de Herdersfarm 81 4
28 VA2 Quanto von der Wienerau 81 4
29 VA1 Ursus von Batu 80 5