Parrish, Bomber and Russ - Page 2

vonissk, I have no doubt that you're relaying your experience with Mr. Osborn exactly as it happened...I just wonder if perhaps you got a less-than-warm welcome because of an external factor you might not have been aware of--for example, maybe there was strife between Osborn and the person who referred you to him, and he thought you might be a 'plant' or in some way seeking to obtain information for that person [it seems odd that he'd ask if you really even HAD a dog; that suggests he was suspicious about something, for some reason, that had nothing to do with you directly since he didn't even know you]. That's something you couldn't possibly know, and it does happen, unfortunately--I mean, who would think that someone would threaten the life of someone else's dog, yet apparently that's happened WRT Bomber. It's not something you'd even dream of, so you wouldn't expect someone else to be concerned about that kind of thing.  Or maybe you just got him on a really, really bad day.  I can't deny that negative impressions of Osborn are hard to find, but I also know you have nothing to gain by telling a tale or even just embellishing on anything, so the two circumstances are hard to reconcile except to put it down to wrong place, wrong time, or bad 'chemistry' between the two of you on that day.

I asked a whole lot of stupid questions because I am new to this and that's what new people do. I think he probably chuckled inside at a couple questions I asked but he never showed it or ever made me feel like an idiot etc

Vonissk
I wonder how thick your skin is, Why bother to even relay on here if you still have it in your mind and you have because it still annoys you. What you should have said to the Guy if he treated you less than civil was to tell him straight to his face about his manners and it seems you did not. So where does the back bone bit come in. i for one would have nailed him there and then if i was treated less than civil and that applies to to anyone regardless of there rank and file. and if it means by telling him or anyone else  that it causes a scene then so be it, because there is no excuse for bad manners
Steve1

The reason "alot of people don't go farther in the breed" is because people and dogs alike are constantly being bashed by someone.  Here is a thread that starts off by trying to say nice things about some fellow breeders/trainers.  Then you get a guy out of left field that starts bashing with absolutely no provocation.  Why would newbies ever want to stand up and ask a question when they KNOW there is a pretty good chance someone is going to cut them off at the knees?

Vonissk, I don't know you so I'll assume you are good guy.  But if you have a problem with someone you should take it up face to face, in private with that person.  To make a public statement bashing anyone is pure cowardice.
 

vonn. bit off topic all this but yes i know how snobby established people in the breed can be at times. i got snubbed for many reasons at my first schuts club, one of the reasons is i refused to leave my old retired aged hound dog at home when i trained with my super little sporty gsd puppy. they can all go to hell and i give them no support and will only laugh my butt off in their faces if the club gets into trouble.

what goes around comes around, just never know who ya messing with sometimes.

JUst a

steve1, things are a bit different here in the States than in Europe, since clubs are few and far between over here.  That results in some training directors getting an over-inflated sense of importance, and when that happens it's not an uncommon experience for them to be rude to a newbie [or even just someone who didn't get their dog through that person]... In vonissk's case, however, it really sounds like there was something else going on that she wasn't aware of, and she might have intentionally been put in an adverse position. 

Good to see you back again.

JustaGrinder
I for one will not bow down when things do not go right, I can tell you that most clubs in Belgium that i have been to treat you well and sociable. However when we moved over here it was not the case with one club and 8 years on is still the same.
In that club i thought the language barrier was the problem but it was not so. it was the members. No matter what we did to intergrate it was not to be It seemed they just did not like us English Brothers. The Guy over the Bar no matter how many times i told him in English  or Dutch that i was not a Sir as he addressed me when i went to get a beer just an ordinary Guy like him but 8 years on he still says thank you Sir, to us but not to anyone else and when you tell him you get no reply. Plus there was no help from anyone or did they tell you when it was your turn say for Protection, Nothing. still the same as 8 years ago to only a few months ago when we went there for a Trial, no one spoke or said Hello and still the same Sir, when i got a drink etc
Of course no one spoke to us and we stuck it out for around 9 months before going to another club. But i vowed then i would take the young dog i was training back there within a year and Trial it there Just to show them and i did just that. It gave me immense satisfaction but nothing has changed to this very day. So i guess our faces did not fit, just a part of life again one of the Dogs has trialed there since and will trial there again in the future that i will see it does just to show them that they could have, No did make a grave mistake by treating us the way they did? i did tell them to there faces before we left the club so they knew the score and in Dutch so they all knew. A club is only as good as the results its members get on the work field and that applies to any where and no club can afford to lose a decent dog. Now it is me who is laughing at them when my Dog kicks there ass. I am not a vindictive Guy but i will see things right and i make it sure that i do.
Steve1