Judge withholds placings at Champ show - Page 2

Perhaps before judging the judge we should wait for the judges report to be publicized. Oh just so nobody is miss led no tee shirts with any logo were worn in the ring or as far as I'm aware until judging was complete. I believe one dog was of the continental type and one was the english type. Some people just like to make mischief.
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I suppose it would be too much to ask for the KC to require this judge to justify the withholding?  I accept you cannot expect the KC to monitor a judge every step of the way, especially since the Germanic GSD are the only breed where all dogs are placed in order and not just pick out the first 5 and" finished with the rest, thank you", but I would have thought withholding placings, especially at CH show level, warrants some kind of explanation.

Margaret N-J

I didnt state that the t shirts were worn IN THE RING.....I didnt say that the judges placings were WRONG......She was the judge on the day n SHOULD judge as she saw fit......but IMHO.the wearing of these T..shirts is political.......This situation between the 2 types has been going on for donkeys yrs n will go on for donkeys yrs ,long after u n i John are dead n buried.We may argue about type but the german side has never suggested a split in the breed as did Mr.Brandon ,twice n now the ALSATIAN BREED CAMPAIGN........we have never 2 the best of my knowledge n remember i,ve been showing since 1986 even had petitions going around at a GENERAL champ.show,cant even remember any at breed club level.The only time i,ve seen our side wear T shirts with a name emblazed on it was at our 2 day show during the lunch break when they had a progeny group......non competative i might add.I,m in agreement with u that its a real mess ,but it,ll remain this way unless both sides sit with the kc n thrash it out.I do feel for u with no CC shows to attend but remember not so long ago the boot was on the other boot,u had most of the CC s at general champ shows n we had 2 make do with the breed club champ.shows.Why not do wot we are doing......organising our own gsd shows run on WUSV rules......These are now in their 4th/3rd yr n our better attended ......we can do our own thing......but yes we too would like to do some general ones too......IMHO.the ones who would lose out if a split did come about are those who shall i say are middle of the road......the one who DONT wish to compete at the german style shows.......as they have similiar type animals but dont train/show the german way........those who have a mixture of both english/german lines.......My argument is not about type,nor with u n your good wife as breeders.......but the health implications when the main man for your campaign is dissing the fact that EPILEPSY in the gsd is of far more importance than the backline of any animal.Surely u can c where i,m coming from.U know that i,m an honest person n speak bluntly n i,m the same when i dont agree with things on the german side too......n i have,as u have ,divulged information on the 4 animals i have bred that have had inherited health problems.In fact i have informed Chris Hazell that if any1 asks questions re any shep with my affix in she has full permission 2 divulge info.to them as i dont want any1 using an animal with my breeding who had one of these 4 as a sibling to the same lined sire in case the same probs.turn up again.Carole S.Rheinmeister gsds.

It's the old chestnut what is or isn't a German Shepherd dog.To my mind and the rest of the world the only true GSD IN ANY GIVEN MOMENT are the ones who follow the breed standard as dictated in Germany( the home country of the GSD ).
you can not entirely blame the Southern Counties judge because it obviously dose not know what a GSD looks like !! All those dogs it gave a first too, their bums were nearer the ground than should have been, its like they have no back legs of any discription.They can't run for long-so no good for herding sheep.No alledgedly it was who you know-not what you know.
The KC ARE SUPPOSE TO BE  going along with the German types ( which they must ) and have declared that the Alsatian is a thing of the passed-I think they should have declared the show NULL AND VOID.

Tara82  wrote :  "You cannot entirely blame the Southern Counties judge
because it clearly doesn't know what a GSD looks like !"

LMAO.  Oh, I don't know ...  but knowing who she was, I can see why
her hubby has posted his denial of any problems on here.  
Perhaps she'd like to explain exactly what she did, and why,
through his username ?  So we have it from the horse's mouth ?
Then we don't have to rely on people 'making mischief', do we ?
A quicker method than the pubished Critique will be ...

Hundmutter: is the judges husband you refer too on here " truckingdog"?

If so that would explain the bias to all those winners from the same breeding or affix-because a little research show they own a dog from the same breeder Strco.
I thought a couple of years back the KC. WERE PROVIDING A VET TO LOOK INTO ABNORMALITIES in the winning dogs-surely any vet worth his salt could see the back ends were not like proper shepherds should be ! And the short front legs well enough said !
it is so plain to see-why don't these people show under a qualified German National judge-we all know that answer don't we ?

Tara,  what do you think ?  BTW There are now so few of the 'Alsatianists' that it's
no wonder they all share the same few kennel names around within their stock.

As to the Kennel Club's view of GSD 'shape / toplines' it is worth remembering
that it is only fairly recently that the KC has shaken off the constraints that
made it for many years positively biased against German type, and the exhibitors
of international style dogs. [ IE several of those constraints got old and died. LOL]
There might well have been a case for veterinary examination of some of the
longer and dippier backed dogs, from the health aspect;  but that was "pre-
Jemima" and Pedigree Dogs exposed,  and the KC has since failed to be convinced
that a dog stood for exam that has its very angulated hind legs stretched under it
so that the anus is almost touching the ground is worse than a dog which has
a raised backline in stance.  Each to his own, I suppose.