Help with this Czech Pedigree - Page 2

Thank you, Laura and hutchins.

Hutchins, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I am not saying the breeder didn't respond. I'm saying my experience with her has always been first class, and I have delt with many breeders over the years. And that comes to me as a real surprise. As I said I am not pointing a finger at anyone. As things don't add up is based primarily on the dog.

If I was not real familiar with the breeding that would not even be a issue. I'm only trying to help in regard to the dog. That mating should have produced good balanced medium high drives . Hard dogs with strong nerves, but also require good training and real good obedience. Dogs that just can't be left in a pen and raised without clear boundarys. I see in the discription a dog that has never understood it's boundarys. I may be wrong. If I am disregard my post. I hope you find the right answers.

Hank

I personally don't care for the breeder's character myself.  That aside, your girl's "issues" will always be issues, there is no easy remedy for barking, dog aggression, and restlessness.  There is only control (which you don't have) and redirection (with which you are inept).  If these are factors that you cannot live with, she needs to be placed with somebody who can.  The best you can do, is eliminate scenarios that allow the behavior to occur.  Such as, don't put a fence between her and another dog, or don't allow her with other dogs to aggress upon.  She's "a little too extreme" for you to handle as well, without some experience and new skills of your own.

evidently,as post above, the girl is too much for the op. hank, you have spoken to me about the breeder and i would not be at all afraiid to deal with her. if you say she is o.k., she is o.k.  wade

Darylehret, I will repost the first statement in the last paragragph from my original post.

"My question is, by looking at her pedigree, is there anything in it that could be an indication of what she is showing us.?

Not being sarcastic or rude, but I did not ask how to handle it. I think with all the things I have listed as for as exercise, giving her active time or a job to do, and going to training, leaves little time for her to be in a kennel, which you seem to think is what we do.  I am well aware of the control we have or don't have on her.  I never said we can not live with her and I am considering placing her.  The reason I offered her back to the breeder was becasue I thought she may have wanted her back. We have been working on the scenarios that may trigger the behavior. Thats common sense. We are aware that she is extreme, and we do everything possible that can be done to accomidate it.  I think I made that clear in my original post.

She is not our first extreme dog.  She is a breeze on obedience, very eager to please.    In all honesty, I can say without a doubt, the person that we got this girl from, did absolutely NOTHING with her. This girl came to us with no manners. She had no idea what, "NO or FOOOEY" meant. She is learning fast. It has only been alittle less than a month that she is with us. To add insult to injury, 2 days after she arrived here, she came into heat.  YAY, FUN! So we also had raging hormones to deal with.   

I guess I did not word my original post as I was tihnking it. I am not as familiar with Czech pedigrees and the actual dogs in them.  I was wanting to know more about the character of each dog and what each one produces that may have contributed to her being the way she is.  With that being answered, I was hoping to be able to determine if it was her pedigree that made her this way or if it was something she developed along the way.  

As for Opal's breeder, I have a feeling that maybe she doesn't have an answer for the way this girl is, and thinks the best way to answer any questions is to avoid them.  Until this time I had no dealings with her, because she just didn't impress me. Now, I have no respect for her at all and impresses me even less.  She could have taken responsibility to at least talk to me instead of hanging up. She could have responded to my emails which she has not.  With those actions, or lack thereof, she makes it very easy to see exactly how she handles her business and breeding program.  I would consider her a very unethical breeder according to these actions alone.

"The reason I offered her back to the breeder was becasue I thought she may have wanted her back."

I don't recall you stating that YOU offered her to the breeder, and that doesn't make sense when reading what you originally wrote...

"The breeder refused to take her back. That is how we acquired her."

Basically, your topic isn't about the dog at all [despite your question].  You simply came on here to air your dirty laundry about a breeder you dislike.  I know of others that hold her in low regard, so you're not alone.

But, if this sincerely isn't a witch hunt, LOTS of workingline dogs have the issues you describe, it doesn't really matter WHERE it came from in her pedigree.  "Where in this pedigree comes forth excessive barking, dog aggression, and reslessness?"  Probably every connected dot possible, but not without a lot of help from LEARNED behavior, just as BlackthornGSD mentioned, which is all the MORE evident when you state "without a doubt, the person that we got this girl from, did absolutely NOTHING with her".  Like I said, I have no love for the breeder myself, but the first owner deserves the bigger asswhuppin, IMO.  Do you suppose as a rule, that every breeder should take back a monster CREATED?  I'd have to sit on the fence with that notion, just depends on many details.

I find it odd that the Sire is listed as a Narcotics and Cadaver dog, that is very unusual.  I do not know of any true "working K-9's"  that are dual purpose detection dogs.  That is pretty widely frowned upon.  

I'm with darylehret. Czech lines tend to be more high in drives and energy. The aggression could be a dominant thing, but like stated earlier, more likely learned or not addressed appropriately in puppyhood. With that pedigree, the dog is going to be restless because it has soooooo much energy built into it. I know people with Czech dogs that have to take them running, and I mean serious mileage, daily or every other day to just get them to calm down a little. The barking could be genetic, or could be an outlet for built up energy. My pup is partially Czech, and barks a lot, I mean a lot and at everything she can. But we're trying to control it now. Some could be the lines, but also could be a learned behavior as an outlet of her energy and drives. 

I have a Dam that you are describing to the tee. She is a super high drive bitch. And yes, she even barks at an ant walking across the kennel.  LOL
Training, training,training. She is so eager to please, and really gets into job at hand. Tracking, OB, is great, but when it's time for protection, she knows she get's to explode and let it all out. Shes a bit of a handfull around the house, but worth every second of it. Best of luck to you two. Take Care   

Jim,
Santo is not a working K9. But I know she was training him in cadaver, detection. She trains in tracking and is involved in search and rescue. She does work with others. Has titled her dogs.

Others, I have bought one dog from Ramona as a pup several years ago. As I said she was first class to deal with. I knew what I wanted before I went there, found what I wanted. Everything was in order  health records, DNA copies of parents, copies of scores sheets of CZ tests on parents. All paper work was in order in a binder. I was allowed to be around all her dogs. Her place was spotless.

I judge a person by my experience with them not someone elses. If others had a bad relationship, it is between them. As far as a bad breeder, tell someone else that doesn't know better. I know her dogs. If I buy a dog I buy the dog not the breeder. If  I didn't know what I wanted I would not have been there. There is alot about every thing that I don't know, but I would buy a dog from the devil if he had what suited me. Good dogs are not bred by a elite few good people in fact as in most things from dogs, horses, anything else, alot of the people you deal with are scumbags. But has little effect as to the quality of the animals they have.

Hutchins you should have been able to ask for info on the dog, and help with info if she had info on bloodlines.

Hank