Dad's for Sale - Page 2

   Yes, The breeder has been accused of dying some of her dogs...

   I saw Titan when I went to pick up my male and he was a beautiful deep red as the picture shows. 

   Also, some people have claimed that they saw Titan become aggressive with his handler during the Seiger Show 2010 .The handler's side of the story did not support those claims.

 The thread is on the database...
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=359619 

There is controversy surrounding this breeder, but judging from the other threads on the database there are a lot of breeders dealing with the same...

  It comes with the territory ...some are wrongly accused and others bring it on themselves. It is hard to tell which is which...I feel badly for the wrongly accused....

  I would think that anyone interested in buying Titan would do their homework and come to their own conclusions...

2010 USA Sieger Show, Lake Geneva WI. by Phil Behun on 06 June 2010 - 23:06	Phil Behun Post: 388 of 787 Joined: Fri May 04, 2007 01:43 am
Big congrats to my friends Mary and Rob on taking VA1 with Siegerin Liza vom Kuckucksland, lotsa work that paid off.  Liza is a very nice bitch with exceptional temperament and obvious beautiful structure.

I was very disappointed in in the rating of VA1 going to a Mittelwest dog that not only was absolutely out of condition but was continually going after other males in the ring during the showing of the Kennel Groups.  Not only did the owner have to take the dog away from the handler but had to leave the ring while lifting the dog off of his front end and shortening his breath for the duration of the stroll.  Of course it was going to happen again but this time the dog actually bit the owner and drew blood from his right hand.  If I remember correctly, a working competitor was severely criticized when his dog went after another on the podium at the National Championship.  What gives Johannes and Tim, when do the rules apply?

As far as the ring work goes, I have never seen a dog in poorer condition go VA1,,,ever.  Chest was heaving, gasping for air.  Ears were sinking, elbows tucked way in as physical stamina was taxed.  Hocks were actually touching when the dog was at rest in the ring.  Hind end was dragging as he moved around the last couple of circuits, so much so that the hocks looked like they were actually rubbing and the feet dragging.  I'd almost bet that his feet have grass stains on his toes.  Almost all of the other 8 VA dogs were still interested in chasing a ball afterwords and he wouldn't even look at one, completely exhausted.  Maybe they should run them through a BH routine like they used to do after an AD to check the drive and stamina.  Definitely an insult to anyone who understands drive and structure.  I guess dyeing dogs and breaking tails means nothing in USCA as long as you bring plenty entries to the show ring.  Ahhh, all the better to promote the JA huh Johannes?  And now USCA has control of the AWDF and it's IPO program,,,,,,,,can you say monopoly?  Things that make you go hmmmmm.

YOU COULD PM PHIL AND ASK WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SEEN< BUT THIS IS THE POST

Well - posts above kind of answer the question... I just hope that the dog ends up in the right home.

Some reasons to sell a dog like this-
She has bred him and has what she wants from him
He has been Sieger, not much else left to accomplish
She already has these lines in her kennel and breeding program, she needs new blood now and money to bring it in
i would guess that he either has an enormous price tag for full ownership, or not quite so enormous price tag for co ownership and the opportunity to breed to him if and when she wants....
Theresa

Oh and PS- my guess for a price for him is--- roughly $25k

Sometimes dogs that bite their handler are not bad dogs...sometimes they are smart dogs who balk at being mistreated.  For example, Vickie Lanig and Valko.  As for aggressing on other dogs, again, does not neccesarily mean anything other than a handler problem.  I kind of like a dog that would take a bite out of someone treating it unfairly.  I like that a lot, as a matter of fact..but that is just me.  I too hope he finds a home where he will be appreciated. 

I do realize nothing should shock me anymore but people dye thier dogs?????? Do they use like clairol or do they make hair dye for dogs? 
 I agree with hunger, just bc a dog is handler aggressive is NOT always a bad thing or the dogs fault.  It always amazed me that people would think they could do whatever they wanted to a dog and just expect it to take it sitting down.  They are living, breathing, feeling, thinking beings eventually he's gonna have enough and decide if you are gonna bark at him you had better have a bite bc he does. I would never dream of mistreating any of my animals even the cat and expect them to just take it.  My children were taught that as soon as they got old enough to "harass" the pets, it wasn't tolerated by mom, no pulling hair, tails ears etc and that's minor compared to what some of these guys do to their dog.

Oh certainly Donner, people do dye their dogs. They use the regular human hair dye. I know of one breeder who used to use (probably still does?) the Just for Men brand on the dark part of her dogs.

There is also colored chalk and various colored powders, creams, gels, you name it. Even Sharpie markers for small spots.

Better than in the old days, when they fed the dogs arsenic to redden up their coats. Of course, they only lived to be about four years old, but hey, as long as they won before they died!