Anyone have a Kraftwerk K litter..... - Page 2

I have a dog, Devaraja vom Gildaf, who's father, Zavien is a Kraftwerk male (w/ DDR lines including Lord) out of Melinda from Vom Gildaf and he is as smart, fast, courageous as my Leefdaalhof grandson and that is saying a lot.  Of course a lot also has to do with her female Razzy, but it produced a great dog right up there with the best bloodlines there are.  He got a lot of bone and substance from the Kraftwerk side.  Zavien is also DM clear as are Melindas dogs. Of course that does not answer the question about problems at the Kennel, pricing or customer service.

It's not about whether Daryl is right...just go to the website and pay attention. Count the litters. You will need both your fingers and toes to do this accurately. I couldn't care less how many dogs someone breeds if they treat the dogs well and treat their buyers well. NEITHER happens at Kraftwerk. There are far too many HORROR stories of sick puppies and the "treatment" they received, as well as heartbroken owners desperately trying to get help for sick dogs he's sold. Of course things can happen to any breeder, but to say he doesn't get many complaints is honestly kind of funny. One would have to have their heads so far in the sand to believe that. A simple Google search will prove otherwise. While there is always two sides to a story, there are far too many of the same story to make Wayne look good.


About ten years ago, when I was looking to buy my first working line, I called him. I was totally turned off. He knew nothing about the dogs' temperament from the litters I was interested in, which tells me he has too many and he simply doesn't care. My impression turned out to be correct when I did some more research.  

Of course my dog from Jenn78 rivals all of them.  I have been very blessed. Just to make it clear, I would not buy a dog from a breeding operation like Kraftwerk or pay the prices he charges.  Smaller breeders like Kathy and Tim at Wilmothhaus, Melinda at vom Gildaf, and Jennifer at vom Eisenherz take the time to study the lines and produce the absolute best there is.  The motive is the betterment of the breed for them.  A lot of large operations that have a lot of DM or other health issues that are avoided by going to a smaller ethical breeder. 

As I said, the dogs I've seen from there have been nice dogs who were misplaced by an uncaring breeder. One of them (the sire to a litter that one of my puppy buyers bred) was owned by a doctor who obviously hadn't done his research and didn't have the handling skills for the dog. The dog ended up in a better home for him and he's a nice dog. The pups he produced w/the bitch I bred were EXCELLENT and went to very knowledgeable homes who appreciated the genetics without the dreaded  "K" kennel name. Anyway, I think that's mostly why we don't hear about these dogs; again, people who know about forums and compete and do all the stuff that "we" do in our twisted little cult we call "working dogs", don't buy dogs from Wayne Curry! Uneducated people buy dogs from Wayne Curry.

Regardless of our own personal feelings about the man based on many years of hearing sickening firsthand stories, the fact is that  he does not imprint himself on the genetics of the dogs and I have seen some very nice dogs from there. Look at his breeding stock; it's no big surprise that those dogs should throw some nice pups. Plus, sheer numbers dictate that some of them have to be phenomenal- even a broken clock is right twice per day!  I have been tempted to buy one or two (Kraftwerk dogs, not broken clocks), but to be honest, I refuse to have that kennel name attached to one of my dogs that I'd have on my website for breeding. Too many people have already assumed I would recommend or condone the breeding practices of a facility simply because I own a dog bearing that kennel name. It ends up being an unspoken endorsement and I just will not be associated with it if I can help it.

Well said, Jen! I couldn't have said it better.

Thank you for all of your responses.  I will look to see who her parents are.  I know they have been sold and she came from the last litter.  

I purchased this dog for my husband as a gift since we lost a german shepherd that he raised a few years back.  She was amazing, lived to be 15.  I myself didn't do any research on Kraftwerk since he was watching the site and had been showing me dogs he loved.  We did consider Lord at one point.  I just purchased as a birthday surprise. It wasn't until after we realized something was wrong with her we investigated the kennel.  All it would have taken was one simple search, there is so much on the internet that is negative about the kennel.  I have to admit, I was so disgusted and ashamed.  The man that sold me the dog no longer worked there shortly after.

She also arrived with a parasite and they did not seem to believe or offer to treat.  If you mention the word "contract" the tone changes and they get aggressive with you.  My option was to return her and get a new dog, she was only here 3 weeks.  I have 2 young children and another german shepherd that does not like other dogs but liked her.  So we kept her and opted for the surgery totally out of pocket.  It was tough, 12 weeks recovery in the kennel.  She had a deformed leg - or lame - and her ulna and radius were growing at a different speed.  We had to cut her ulna to stop it from growing and hope it would catch up to the other leg.  The surgeon told me this is either a case of a tragic accident that didn't heal right when she was very young or a deformity.  The kennel had no response besides "Pick another dog".  I know what would have happened to her if I sent her back.  She is so sweet and I would be missing out on a great companion if I had not kept her.  Her foot isn't perfect (not that I'd be showing her) and I could get another surgery to maybe straighten it a bit.  Right now she looks like she is posing (for ballet) and it doesn't seem to bother her so far.  I hope as she gets older she'll be pain free.

I cannot recommend this kennel eve though my next dog will be 1/2 off.  I asked for this in writing and they stopped communicating with me.....

Are there any other Kraftwerk owners on here?

Maybe not on this forum.  Here's a respectable looking breeder's website who owns a Kraftwerk male, but looks like they're utilizing outside studs for their own breeding.  http://www.vom-darland-haus.com/Kimber_v_Kraftwerk.html 

I have a dog who had that same surgery; it's most commonly caused by trauma. This may not be their fault. In the case of my pup, she is a maniac who must've jumped on and off of something high enough to cause the growth plate to bruise and therefore close in an effort to heal itself. When that happens, you have the radius and ulna growing at different rates, or one not growing at all, which was the case w/my girl. I was told it was possible that there was a genetic predisposition to it, but it's far more likely that it was caused by some goofy stunt she pulled w/out my knowledge.

However, the breeder of my dog felt awful that I had to dump that kind of money into her to fix her leg, regardless of how it happened, and still helped me out a bit, though it was 99% likely it was NOT his fault.

Brandi:
"As said before, it is hard to believe that so many pups are produced from this kennel each and ever year, yet we see hardly any in SchH."


Actually there is plenty of them out there being worked in Schutzhund. Check your Schutzhund magazine and maybe sheck the BSP sites... plenty and some scoring nicely too.

Given the sheer numbers produced, there are very few being worked in schutzhund. There are hundreds every year for over a decade. The handful showing up in trial results is insignificant in comparison. Check the numbers in the breeder's own region. If that isn't telling, nothing is.