Scutzhund, PSA, Monido - Page 2

GSalltheway 


have you seen Obelix ????
is there any videos of him have tryed to seach but no response on videos of him or any statements on his workability??

GSalltheway
yes I agree most shepherd owners dont work there dogs in  Ring ,but many thinks that the gsd can't do the RING sport ass well as the malinois unfortunately

We don't even have the sport here in Scandinavia

Actually, I couldn't be more correct.  If I may remind you, there are NO esquives in Mondio and NO stick hits.  This has been discussed on many an occasion and summed up with conclusion that French Ring decoys are the fastest most athletic of all the suit sports.  The barrage in Mondio cannot be compared to the barrage in FR.  Opening up and then waving the stick over the dog's head and tapping the ground are no where near the test applied by a FR decoy.  Again, softer dogs, slower decoys, softer sport.  Why don't you ask the top people in the sport of French Ring (in France) what they think about Mondio?  The answer you get will not make you happy.

Alpha, I couldn't agree more about your kindergarten comment. I am getting sick and tired of how easy it is to throw three phases together for a good score. It's less than elementary! It's so easy, I laugh at the people that spend 10 hrs a week tracking, 4 hours on obedience and whatever time they get to go to a club. What proves its simplicity, is the fact that you never see the same people do well at every trial. It is always a newbie, no name winning the national or world championship because of the ease.-------------------------Honestly, who cares? I'm well hung, so I don't worry about the little stuff. As long as you're doing something your dog and you enjoy, that's all that matters. I really don't understand why this topic gets brought up so often. It's like Indy and Nascar guys arguing, while they're both racing at stupid wicked speeds. Why argue over stupid shit?

Myret, You don't have Mondio in Scandinavia? At the last world cup There was  teams from Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland... THe Swedes did it well there, i loved their work.
About Obelix, i've seen him work, and i liked what i saw, don't know if there are videos of him out there...

Duderino, you're totally wrong, even though we can't touch the dog with the stick, when you're trainning the dog, you have to do it all the time! For the esquives, you're wrong again, go and read the mondio rules. And what about the attack with accessories? Did you ever saw one? Do you have any idea of the pression of that attack? and that they are hitting the dog all the time? You should do a research and watch some videos! As to talk to the top people in the sport of French Ring, well, i'm french and yes i know a lot of people, judges, decoys and defenetly you are so wrong! Only someone with a closed mind could say otherwise!
I kind of agree with ALPHADOG. Any ring sports are way more dificult than the others, except for the tracking of course!

Chaz i agree with you 100% .. although i took a moment to critque .. not critisize ,  to articualte differentials amoung canine sports, - although i take a point of view , regarding Sch - [ this i mentioned to SV judge : i chuckle at what modern day Sch has become ..esp. compared to france and belgium sports !!   goodness try doing a sport with no collar leash ,, a call off the bite etc. .. in Sch they send the dog .. man can't snap on that leash fast enough after the exercise .. where's the control ??- another minor point of comparison ].  that having been stated.. as i discuss amoungst my friends , myself included : who cares about placements and trophies .. for our crew .. it is / was about just plain 'ol going out , being the best one could be , bringing out the most of our dogs and enjoying life , liesure/fun and for the love between  dog and man [woman ] !! . if you have a passion for what you and your dog do even if you do flyball , then that is what is most important.  !!

Gssalaway


no we dont have RING sport in Denmark if there where someone from denmark that has competed they go to other country's to learn the sport not in Denmark  sad but true. If someone is traning RING sport in Denmark they have been learning the sport in another place.


Ass far as I know it is not allowed in Denmark to train i bite suits other than the police ,some does it anyway though

not sure about Sweden and Finnland but I don't think that Sweden has clubs for RING sport they have schh and the other protection dog programme I dont think they have RING




 

A few people are training mondioring in sweden and competes in other countries with very good results, but competitions can´t be arranged, likewise in norway I think. Mediocre dogs exist in all sports I assume, so I would rather look at the performance of the dog instead on what sport he is titled in. I hardly believe placing high in all phases in WUSV/BSP is a walk in the park, or have those who says so actually done this?

O/P........ After you wade through all the chest beating from the advocates for their respective sports, what you will end up training in is the sport that is the largest in your area. Which ever sport that ends up being. If you have no clubs and helpers from a certain sport in your area you really can't train in that sport. So you are definately not going to get involved with that sport. So if ring is the sport in your area, or Sch. find a club and train in that sport. Of course you can always throw in a few exercises from another sport that you find interesting. Sch. is really the only sport in my area so we train in a Sch. club. Although we do suit work/muzzle/building searches... as well.

Good luck.

hey folks ./. DON"T leave out KNVP !! [ Dutch trianing / police too ] .. again .. just for the fun of it all .. engine search the other European sports . even Campangna !! PS . tracking IS not difficult !! i taught one of my GSDs show line tracking ... in three weeks without article indication ... he had Sch 1 track down pat . no big deal or merit .. if you want to understand a canine .... understand the nose .. a canine is 90% nose !! not ears , not eyes .. but the nose is what makes a dog !! case in pnt .. why labs . beagles etc doing narcotics , airport baggage  etc.. not just mals or GSDs ... know the nose .. tracking is easy !! IMO the easiest of all the disciplines .. ps.. even a instantly born pup finds it ways to feed from mom , eyes closed .. just by innate scent -    you think communicating to a dog to use it's nose is hard ??