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I understand that this was not an intentional mating, but it remains to see if the unintentional was an absolute or more of a function of timing as in: "I was waiting for one or both to achieve their SchH title before mating them. In such an event, culling may not be called for. As a matter of fact, I remember reading of an unintended breeding that resulted in a litter of overly linebred dogs from an excelent kennel and they were not culled. You could still sell them at a decent if not excellent price on the argument that once the parents get titles the price would go up. Buckeye: Maybe you're not the next Dahmer or Berdella, but your comment does make you come across a bit as the south end of a nortbound jack.

so are you saying culling an unwanted litter
is worse than giving them to people who may not want then 6 months later?

Not saying that at all.  Culling is done to weed animals out of the population that would compromose the strenth of the species.  It is common that if the mother detects something wrong with a puppy she will kill the puppy.  Survival of the fittest, protect the future of the species, natural instinct.

It would not be so bad if a unwanted litter was aborted at the vet office.  I do not understand allowing the bitch to go full term, have the puppies, then kill the puppies, ALL OF THEM!!!  Now the mom will look all over for the puppies, and adopt tennis balls, socks and stuffed animals as her litter.  A very sad sight to see if you ever had the displeasure.  Or depending on your personality traits replace the word displeasure with pleasure.

I could even understand culling a few if the litter was huge and pups were too numerous for mom to care for or there were genetic problems with the puppies.  But to have your mind made to destroy the litter before they hit the ground does not seem "RIGHT" if you know what I mean.

An unintentional litter can still be carefully placed in great homes, with limited registrations & a spay/neuter contract.

Only a dork-ball would suggest having the litter & then using the pups for target practise. That's NOT culling, that's just cruel. And the comment was mean-spirited. There but for the Grace of God go I......in other words.....have you never made a mistake?

I wish the OP well with their oops litter, what's done is done, now it's time to think positive & make the best of things. jackie harris

 A bucket of water is cheaper than a bullet 

i dont own a female because i dont like altering animals
and i dont want a litter.
i could do whatever necessary to ensure i dont have pups i
allowed to live in a shelter or abused.
i get a kick out of some people,
on one thread we are supposed to keep pups and place them in homes
and on the next thread we say how terrible it is that dogs end up
in bad situations


i still go back to the fact that if someone doesnt know the simple color possibilities
of a litter with one parent carrying double recessive black and a black\tan, than they
surely cant nurture and start these pups on the right track

the effort needed to figure out color possibilities is far surpassed
by the effort in raising and conditioning a litter.it is more complex than just placing them
if you care about the future

there is no need to kill healthy puppies - planned litter or unplanned.  Healthy puppies should be raised, sold or given away with no papers and with a spay/neuter contract (not just with no papers).  If necessary, even spaying/neutering before they are placed is better than killing them.  This is "culling" in itself - the dogs will not be used for breeding.  It is not so difficult to find good homes for puppies.  No reason whatsoever to kill healthy puppies.  Not even one I can think of.

molly

good god you are a piece of work molly
maybe we should use them as bargaining chips

the point is if they live you should be responsible till they die
notice the op doesnt seem to care one way or the other

molly i respect your knowledge
but your morals and actions have been shit 

buckeye, you don't know what you are talking about - why don't you shut your trap until you know facts instead of listening to drama-queens.  Yes, respect my knowlege, or leave it.  I don't care.  My educated experienced knowlegeable opinion is that it is not necessary to KILL healthy puppies.   No matter what.  Even if they come from an accidental litter, an abandoned dam, breeder unable to get papers for them, or even if the breeder has to give them away.  Good homes can be found, no need to kill them.  There are other ways to "cull" - plenty of caring responsible pet homes out there, and the breeder can remain reponsible for the dogs for their lifetimes if they choose to.

IMO someone who can shoot healthy puppies in the head (or drown them in a bucket) should not be allowed to own a gun or an animal.    and ps - in this state and others, either would be illegal and felony animal abuse.

molly