Breed Seperating? - Page 2

Hello geordiegaviino!

In a nutshell!

The breed has indeed split into two different kinds of GSD (although nobody wants to admit it).
Well, in fact there are no more Shepherd Dogs, you must agree, while there aren't any sheep left to herd (in Germany).
I daresay, elementary Dr. Watson!
So you're left with a GD, a "German Dog".

This dog would need to be a copy of Inspector Rex: please check his "standard" and description:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Rex
One of the longest standing breeders of GSD's, Karl Füller from the kennel "vom Kirschental" has deplored the fact that indeed at the annual Sieger Show, the dogs are sadly enough "all uniform". (Althoug the Standard will define quite a large range of specimen/colors, et.)

History: In Germany the Martin brothers Hermann (SV-President, SV-judge and kennel von Arminius) and Walter (SV-judge and kennel von der Wienerau) - from the '70s on - have made a very lucrative business out of breeding (with incest breedings and closest of inbreeding) what looks like a dark and reddish GSD. A couple of important SV-judges have taken this path, deformed the breed into an overangulated specimen and made millions in the process.

With a production of approximately 3.300 litters per year nowadays, the more or less 120 litters in the real working lines niche can't even come close to saving the breed. Helmut Raiser and his collegues (RSV2000) are trying to save some of the great working qualities this breed used to have, but of course Big Business prevails. The idea that a GSD must look like Rex has been spread worldwide, so that's what the Chinese want. And THEY have the money, you don't.
In the meantime the Chinese Sieger Show is growing bigger than the homebased one, and the Germans need to buy good dogs abroad!

What a shame, another breed down the drain!

Kind regards,
Jantie

P.S.: If you like reading more: gsd-legends.eu/Varia/DSH-Geschichte.pdf

I personally do not know what you are talking about. There are available plenty of working GSDs. Division into GSD and Alsatian is something silly stemming from Brits not historically (understandable notion) liking Germans.  I have never understood it as a breed division.
However I do
see GSD being slowly divided  into these types: Show lines, Sport lines, Working lines and then there are differences amongst these in different countries. US show is different then German show.  ( I am not even mentioning back yard breeders here .)
That is sad enough since GSD should always be a versatile working dog. Breeding for specific trait, drive or purpose different then versatile workability equals  destruction of the breed.
Examples of
Working dogs:
Ox 
Navar Hronovsky pramen
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Sport dogs:

Nexx Hartis Bohemia

Show dog :
Am Sel CH Kaleef's Geneva v Aeval-Achtung
 There are off course big differences in temperament , workability, drives, intelligence, and purpose.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Prager... all them dogs looked stunning in my eyes.

Also what i meant was cause so many breeders bitch amongst themselves and some are determined that their idea for the breed is the right idea and all others (they mainly single out a certain look) are wrong and have no place in the breeding of the breed. It seems to be getting so bitchy that i wouldnt be suprised if a breeder or a few tried to turn their own line into a new breed in a attempt to make claim that their dogs are the right dogs.

Not sure if i explained my personally view very well .

Looks of the GS dog should be that of an athlete  and it should be derived from and support dogs ability to work.
That eliminates the sample of the show dog shown.
 Temperament of GSD: should enable him to perform any type of work or sport. That is S&R, police, family companion, SchH,  support dog for handicapped, area protection, herding..........you name it. 
If you breed for only   one of these traits you are destroying the breed. Thus that eliminates a dog bred strictly for sport.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Ronin great post. I agree. However we can not turn clock back to the days where GSD was what it was designed to be. And we must point out the todays  differences between show, sport and work dogs and we as breeders must promote the versatile working GSD with hope that people will vote with their dollars ( or dinars, or,....) for the working dog, which is good to great  for any work path we put him/her on.  That is my goal anyway.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Its strange how your views can change and be twisted in a matter of a few months...

yeah?ya gonna buy one of them strange beasts that you"really like the look of" an set up a new line?.now that would be a split!!!
ya could call them-in the words ofJeff,"everyone knows who i am,"-      "Shitters"

Hello geo, glad you came back. I sincerly don't want to hurt your feelings again and subjects such as this are often very interesting if the right people choose to partiicipate.

Before going further, what types do feel the GSD seperating into. And this is not a trick question, I would like to establish a base point of where you are starting from.

Also, I promise if you are sincere, no rude comments from me.

Best,
Rik