So who are the bad breeders? - Page 2

Does it matter who was filming? The result was there for all to see, so it wouldn't matter if the Queen of England herself had filmed it. 

Jaymesie51
I fail to see how unsoundness cannot be considered a health issue. If I was unsound, and walked with a limp, this would certainly be a health issue for me! It certainly would not be considered normal, and if it wasn't a result of disease, one would probably have to put it down to a skeletal issue. Unsoundness has to have a reason. Of course, a dog doesn't die from unsoundness, but is that your accepted definition of a health issue?

It has been said (I quote from an above post) that this has been around for years. So can I ask - what has been done to a) discover what the cause is and b) what action, if any, has been taken to try and resolve it?

It is a known fact that many of the great real herding dogs,(GS that herd for real), are cowhocked. My question is, should we consider these dogs "unsound"??? Should soundness be defined by a working ability or a pretty looking criteria????

I fail to see how unsoundness cannot be considered a health issue. If I was unsound, and walked with a limp, this would certainly be a health issue for me! It certainly would not be considered normal, and if it wasn't a result of disease, one would probably have to put it down to a skeletal issue. Unsoundness has to have a reason. Of course, a dog doesn't die from unsoundness, but is that your accepted definition of a health issue?
 
THANK YOU!!!! 

I will say it loud and clear: bad breeders are those who put "winning" above breeding a sound dog.

Ask John Q Public what they think of the hyenaes in the ring and they will tell you: "What the bloody hell is that?"

Nocurs
Please! I will say very clearly that these dogs are NOT unsound.Just because you don't like them that doesn't make them unsound.
John Q Public wouldn't know a show line from a baboon. Please spend your time bashing  the BYB who sell cheap badly bred AKC pedigreed mutts as German Shepherds claiming to be related to Rin Tin Tin. I

showshepherds4me,quite agree if yu dont like the international/correct type DONT GO TO THE SHOWS THAT HAVE THAT TYPE OF JUDGE.GO TO THE ALSATIAN SHOWS.I personally cringe when i see the alsatian types with square shaped backlines and 4 legs in each corner or the way too long bodies which have an obvious dip in the backline,cringing with fear,and ears having to be propped up by the handlers thumbs.does this give an impression of nobility,NO.I ALSO DO NOT LIKE THE BACKLINES ON SOME OF THE GERMAN SIDE,I CRINGE AT THOSE TOO.wot i like is a nice shapely backline which is STRAIGHT,NOT LEVEL ,THERE IS ADIFFERENCE,and has a GENTLE slope from front to back as per the standard.when all is said BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER.As the local shows to me usually have judges who go for the more alsatian type i do see a lot of these and believe me most of them are unsound and stand in a most peculiar way.Carole.

Dingodog i take it you walk on all fours then, if you walk with a limp it is because you have an injury or a bone problem but you cannot be cow hocked because you are human (well i take it you are) cow hocks are NOT a health problem maybe you should read a little more before you engage your typing finger, most are caused by over angulation of the hind quarters it is not a sign of HD or any other health problem.
jim h.

Dingodog, you ask: Does it matter who was filming?


Of course it matters!  When you're making a film like PDE, it's PARAMOUNT.  It's since been admitted that although both Manchester and Crufts were attended, there are only four dogs that appear on PDE.  There's a big clue there!

Read Gustav's post above... digest it, then see what you can come up with. 

Comparing unsoundness with a limp, highlights a total lack of knowledge... of animals in general... where you say you, "fail to see"... I believe you and I doubt anyone can make you see, you're too determined that you're right, offering ridiculous comparisons as proof?  I really think you just come on here to have a rant.

IMPO, physical soundness is a structural function issue.  A dog can be "cow-hocked" without this being to such a degree that it hampers it in its duties.  However, taken to an extreme, it can become a soundness issue.  I've always thought that the single most important facet in any dog's makeup is that of temperament.  If the dog is sound, it should be able to perform, but what separates the great from the "good" is a sound temperament that is suitable for the tasks it will carry out and the environment it will function in.  I have no problem with dogs that are raised from birth to be "pets", even if their bloodlines would suggest other uses, since GSD's make some of the best family dogs anyoone might want.  However, I have misgivings of breeders who raise their puppies with one use in mind and then sell the pups out to whomever may buy them not caring wether the dog and its situation are a good fit.  The other problem is that the gene pool is lacking in diversity with showlines being excessively line-bred to a handful of sires.  An easy solution to this would be to inject some working lines into the showline population, or better yet, even the field so that working lines have an even footing in comformation shows.  Maybe that might encourage breeders to breed for a dog that is both able to work and is show-worthy.

Charlie319,
I have been singing your song for a long time and most people don't want to accept it because it would put the breed ahead of their personal likes. People ought to digest YOUR post...off course many will look at it and agree and keep right on doing what got the breed in this shape in the first place....Sad!