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by Sangreinu on 31 July 2010 - 20:07
agreed geordiegav
Honestly I would happily take a blue or liver dog with excellent health, temperameant, and function over a typical rich black and red pigment shepherd that had a watermelon back, wobbly hocks, with exaggerated drives and no common sense.
As these colors do not affect this working dog's health or function, I see no reason to harp on it as long as it occured naturally in the breed.
Honestly I don't see why "off" colors bother people so much. The founder of the breed didn't think it was that big of a deal why should we? And it disturbs me greatly that many breeders will happily breed a dog whose butt is half the height of its shoulders, but will kill a healthy well structured off color at birth. How is this benefitting the breed?
That said I don't think anyone should breed specifically for color.. but look at every world sieger winner for the last 20 years notice anything?
Honestly I would happily take a blue or liver dog with excellent health, temperameant, and function over a typical rich black and red pigment shepherd that had a watermelon back, wobbly hocks, with exaggerated drives and no common sense.
As these colors do not affect this working dog's health or function, I see no reason to harp on it as long as it occured naturally in the breed.
Honestly I don't see why "off" colors bother people so much. The founder of the breed didn't think it was that big of a deal why should we? And it disturbs me greatly that many breeders will happily breed a dog whose butt is half the height of its shoulders, but will kill a healthy well structured off color at birth. How is this benefitting the breed?
That said I don't think anyone should breed specifically for color.. but look at every world sieger winner for the last 20 years notice anything?
by april the dog woman on 31 July 2010 - 23:07
I dont hold the standard in any esteem at all. as far as i am concerned once a dog has some kind of disease or condition he or she shouldnt be allowed to breed. there should be no other regulations other than that, temprement and the basic body type, of course they have to be pure bred, but whats so wrong with the unusual colours? there was no coulour regulations at the start, a good dog is a good dog. i fell into mine by accident but i wouldnt have bred them only they showed up free of defects, i have the hipscore certs somewhere and they came back fine and so did the test for male hemophelia so isnt that all you realy need?
sorry for the spelling mistakes my spelling has always been useless
sorry for the spelling mistakes my spelling has always been useless
by Abby Normal on 01 August 2010 - 08:08
@ Aprilthedogwoman
There is somewhat more to the health issues in the GSD than just hips and Haemophilia.
Epilepsy, EPI, AF, PD, Equina Cauda and more, so I hope you weren't suggesting that just having the two you mention ticked off is all OK for breeding?
@ Sangreinu
Quite agree with you, Germany have been breeding for black and red for years. Gone are the days when there was some variation in dogs expressions, heads, stature and colour and coat pattern. All cookie cutter now. So much so that I would think an even owner would be hard pressed to pick their own dog out of a line up! I too would prefer a healthy dog of any coat/colour, with conformation that actually does meet the 'standard' (conformation wise) and is not exaggerated in any way.
There is somewhat more to the health issues in the GSD than just hips and Haemophilia.
Epilepsy, EPI, AF, PD, Equina Cauda and more, so I hope you weren't suggesting that just having the two you mention ticked off is all OK for breeding?
@ Sangreinu
Quite agree with you, Germany have been breeding for black and red for years. Gone are the days when there was some variation in dogs expressions, heads, stature and colour and coat pattern. All cookie cutter now. So much so that I would think an even owner would be hard pressed to pick their own dog out of a line up! I too would prefer a healthy dog of any coat/colour, with conformation that actually does meet the 'standard' (conformation wise) and is not exaggerated in any way.
by Abby Normal on 01 August 2010 - 12:08
@ Aprilthedogwoman
There is somewhat more to the health issues in the GSD than just hips and Haemophilia.
Epilepsy, EPI, AF, PD, Equina Cauda and more, so I hope you weren't suggesting that just having the two you mention ticked off is all OK for breeding?
@ Sangreinu
Quite agree with you, Germany have been breeding for black and red for years. Gone are the days when there was some variation in dogs expressions, heads, stature and colour and coat pattern. All cookie cutter now. So much so that I would think an even owner would be hard pressed to pick their own dog out of a line up! I too would prefer a healthy dog of any coat/colour, with conformation that actually does meet the 'standard' (conformation wise) and is not exaggerated in any way.
There is somewhat more to the health issues in the GSD than just hips and Haemophilia.
Epilepsy, EPI, AF, PD, Equina Cauda and more, so I hope you weren't suggesting that just having the two you mention ticked off is all OK for breeding?
@ Sangreinu
Quite agree with you, Germany have been breeding for black and red for years. Gone are the days when there was some variation in dogs expressions, heads, stature and colour and coat pattern. All cookie cutter now. So much so that I would think an even owner would be hard pressed to pick their own dog out of a line up! I too would prefer a healthy dog of any coat/colour, with conformation that actually does meet the 'standard' (conformation wise) and is not exaggerated in any way.
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