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Oskar1

by Oskar1 on 17 November 2009 - 09:11

Could be pano, could be not. I hope for you & your dog it is pano. 90 pounds on a 7-8 month old pup, too much, reduce his weight. Totally agree with Hans - go with raw.

I would not want to wait any longer on the determination whether it is pano or not. Dogs do have a high pain tolerance. Have the ellbows x-rayed. A experienced Vet can do that w/o anaesthesia (spelling?), but this will be your only option to make sure. 
Then, when you have a result, decide on how to procede further. Some Vets suggest, if it is ED in a mild form, to put the dog in a crate for up to 6 weeks, only letting him out to go potty, a horror thought for me. It seems to work sometimes, but it is not 100% certain.
Good luck !
Ulli 

shepherdpal

by shepherdpal on 17 November 2009 - 13:11

I believe my pup, Benny who is 7 month has pano too. He has the exact same sympton with his right leg which stated a week ago. He is 80 pounds but thin.  He is fed raw usually a chicke quarter in the AM, with some ground meat ( beef or turkey) and a little organ meat ( ( chicken liver )  in the PM. He gets a raw egg several times a week and canned sardines once a week. I use cheese,  a hot dog, mixed with Innova kibble for training treats. I began supplementing with Kbow nutrajoint when he began limping. i am walking him on leash but no jumping or running.

He srill wants to tun and play with my sons dog and seem to take it ins "stride"

I am confused because some say to lower the protein and others say to feed all meat.



by happyday on 17 November 2009 - 14:11

My vote is pano as well - my boy is 9 months old and 80+ pounds (and he isn't over weight)  My boy has battled with it since he was 3 months old.

Low protein - and anti-inflammatory medication is the way to go.  the  medication helps my boy alot....He has got spring in his step when he gets it.

Sheperdpal - As far as Raw - it is better for them then kibble.    My dogs like it more than kibble...  It is just a little harder to do.  More time consuming for me to prepare than opening a bag....lol - I put more into feeding my dogs than I do my own children.....

8 months old


Liebe

by Liebe on 17 November 2009 - 14:11

I think that its a personal opinion.  I find that raw still has a very high protein level and you have to make sure you introduce enough veggies to bring the level down.

Its easier with the kibble because its info is provided for you, but I'm a great believer in what suits each dog.  I had a beautiful girl but she didnt do well on raw, but did extremely well on the right kibble, but then she had loads of other issues to deal with.

Not everyone find raw suits their lifestyle as well, as you need the space to freeze/store the meat etc.  we do a lot of raw but because we like going camping ours are equally suited to kibble.  

Find what suits your dog and stick with it. 

Turk

by Turk on 17 November 2009 - 14:11

could be pano, soft tissue sprain, etc.  Pano normally presents itself on more than one side.  Only an xray can tell.  Good luck and he'll be fine.


Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 17 November 2009 - 14:11

Not to start yet another endless argument over the virtues of feeding raw vs. kibble but there is no empirical data to support the assertion that the former is superior to the latter.  If your pup is geneticaly predisposed to pano, he/she will probably get it regardless of what you're feeding.

Oskar1

by Oskar1 on 17 November 2009 - 15:11

Wow, Happyday, sorry to hear that your dog has a problem with that since 6 month ! How did you determen it is pano ? You probably had him x-rayed, right, or do you just give him anti - inflammatory medication on a guess ? I dont know what kind of training you intend to do with your dog, but after 6 month I really would like to know for sure. Hopefully you dont have a hurtfull awekening, when you x-ray him. Sure he has a spring in his steps after easing the pain - the reason why he limps is that it hurts. Normal reaction - the dog starts to take the weight of the limp that hurts, in order to give it the chance to heal and relax. By just giving him this medication, you ease the pain, and subsequenzly he will put as much stress on it as before, starting the whole process over again.
(on a side note, this is not ment to sound rude, sorry second language)

I agree, regarding the food........but (there is always a but) our K9's, have the same amount of rips, same amount of teeth, very same digestive system as their ancester, the wolf. So, what excatly makes us think it is better to feed our dogs kibble with grains in it, that contains a meat source that would make every one of us puke, if we would ever see it in front of us, that contains perservatives, a wolf probably would pi** onto it !! But then again, to each their own, and believe me, I wont be the one to lecture anyone on kibble. Nor will I ever condem anyone who does feed kibble. 
Ulli

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 17 November 2009 - 15:11

I bought into the whole raw feeding fad for a minute ten years or so ago but the premise on which it is based is fundamentally flawed.  Wolves do not eat meat that was raised on antibiotics, steroids and growth hormones or exposed to the pathogens present in any meat processing plant and their average life expectancy is considerably shorter than that of a domestic dog.

Like you, I do not begrudge those who think differently...everyone has to do what he/she thinks is best for his/her dogs.  Personally, I feed Canidae which is made from all natural human food grade ingredients without all of the grains and preservatives and have had very good success with it.

Oskar1

by Oskar1 on 17 November 2009 - 15:11

Keith, I agree with you. Still I will keep on feeding raw, with meat that was cleared for human consumption. Also I know a domestic dog, will not reassamble a wolf, and a wolf will not have a life span as long as our dogs. You seem to be pretty clever, I bet you can picture why they die earlier, it is for sure not because of the food.
One thing I know for sure, since feeding raw, I have less Vet expenses, no ,and I mean not at all, problems that the dogs dont want to eat, it also seems that I have less problems with ticks (I mean these little bloodsuckers, these needles creeps) than friends of mine feeding kibble. But anyhow, didnt want to highjack this thread.
Ulli 

by happyday on 17 November 2009 - 16:11

Oskar1 -Prescription drugs do require a doc to dispense - I took him to a specialist in my area that specializes in GSD - Orthopedic Vet - I had him xrayed of course- I wouldn't give medication on a guess.  The pano is in his front leg joints -  xrayed his  front legs - had beautiful elbows just growing like a weed.  So no worries by this gal. 

When he is suffering with his pano - which isn't very often now - I don't work him - he takes it easy - lite exercise.  Pano does go away with time.   

I have two GSD and both are being trained in Schutzhund.  The term spring in the step is figurative - and not intended to get a reaction that would insinuate that I work my dogs when they aren't feeling well -cause I have doped them up and masked the pain.  I know the limitations of my pup and pano.  No hurtful awakening? What could that imply?  We are talking Pano....

Happyday





 


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