SV Recognition of Longcoats--2010 - Page 2

Never fear, as long as someone can make a buck off them. No puppies will be culled, certainly not b/c of hair length or color. ¶If the off-colors had enough numbers to have their own organization, shows, trials and surveys in Germany, the SV would recognize them, too!! LOL ¶ The SV and AKC are getting close to playing out "that scene" from "Animal Farm."

Thats what I was thinking !!  $$ has always been a motivating factor across the globe .. It would have been a big monetary loss for the German breeders to cull all or most of the long coats . I am sure the bad economic times have something to do with the decision going in the long coats favor . 

You show your ignorace Myst... long coats have ALWAYS been part of the breed and were not penalized until a short time ago when some political wild hair got up someones ass and ony then have they been treated as second class. This is with good reason a dissapointment for many and I have to wonder WHY the SV botherd..except to make more money for their organization..NOT to actually do anything for the breed... they do not need seperate classes or groups they are GSDs period and always have been. What a good judge cant read the physical staures on a lsc??... well wouldnt surprise me some are also confused by color issues. What a waste of time they have been fiddling around for this scheme.

Debi
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With all due respect, I too feel that it all comes down to money. With the possibility of 20-40% of a litter having to be sold at pet or below prices, the big kennels are missing out on a lot of $.

Not to mention that  there are probably many top placing dogs who had LC sibilings as good or maybe better conformatition wise.

I think it is a good move, because as stated above, they are all GSD. An extra inch or two of hair has absolutely no bearing on character or conformatition.

Rik

Debbie dear, I NEVER said that the coats were NOT part of the breed! Get it straight, I believe my references to stock coats producing LCs and Stock coat/LC siblings makes that clear to any idiot.

Luvdemdogs will be doing back flips.  LOL

I think that the recognition, or re-recognition, is a good thing. From what I have seen (I'm no expert on this, just going by my own observations) the long coats are usually some of the better/best dogs from a conformation standpoint.
What I don't like about this is the "seperating" of them in to their own class and gene pool. We have enough of that crap going on already. Now they want to limit the available breeding stock and the gene pool that goes along with it again. What for? They are all GSD's!!!
Nia, I agree with you about the comparison with South Africa.

I would love it if someone would take on the task of doing a 20 year study that would involve GSD's of all colors, coats, etc. being bred together. At the end it would be interesting to see if these dogs came out with better health, temperament, working ability, etc., or, if the current system of highly inbred dogs would prevail?

Any thoughts???

If LC from stock coat breedings are recognized, then there will still be quite a bit of diversity in the gene pool.

Also, in the U.S., the AKC/GSDCA will decide as to the matter of crossing LC/SC and if they must be kept seperate as far as breeding.

Rik

Being a recessive gene in stockcoats, both parents must carry the gene and be bred together to produce long coat pups or a few in a litter?    One parent cannot produce long coats bred to a parent that does not carry the gene, both must have the long coat gene to reproduce in a litter one, two, three or whatever? 
Also, the long coated ones must have the undercoat by SV.  Most American long coats do not have the undercoats.  This way they can be worked with undercoats and qualify more so by the SV.  Otherwise they are not recognized at all by the SV with NO undercoat.  That is the way I understand it so far.  If you breed two nice parents together of East or West lines, they will produce nice deep pigement and working pups.  I know alot of German Breeders get a few long coats in their itters, keeps one and it titles well in Shutzhund only.   Some of the best studs abroad carry the gene anyhow.  You do not know until you breed a pair and get a couple pups with curly coats.?