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by dadams1 on 15 March 2010 - 22:03
I think many people also tend to borrow the advertising phrases and techniques that they see others using, hence the reason you'll see several litters advertised using mostly the same verbiage. People in marketing tend to look and see "what works" in that particular arena, so if someone selling pups sees other breeders asking high prices, calling them "world class", and customers are paying for it, then understandably they'll borrow those methods. (BTW - I loved Jenni's ad as well - now if she announces to all that the litter successfully sold out in minutes at a high dollar thanks to that ad, I imagine you'd see others borrowing the same method themselves 
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by Jenni78 on 15 March 2010 - 23:03
Dadams....well, they might have, if I wasn't such a Nazi about where they go. I have a few still, I think. If only I had a crystal ball to tell me how many pups she'll have so I know how many reservations to take! I'm thinking next time I'll put them up for auction, kind of like a horse for sale in the killer barn. Start 'em really cheap, then see if I can create a bidding war. LOL.
Like I said before...I do think some of the time it's a translation problem. The other part of the time, well, some people are just liars.
Like I said before...I do think some of the time it's a translation problem. The other part of the time, well, some people are just liars.
by charlie319 on 16 March 2010 - 00:03
Jenni:
I think you give folks too much credit. Thanks to some websites like Babelfish, most people can put together a simple and honest ad... facetious wording and less than honest claims can't be glossed over as a verbiage issue.
I think you give folks too much credit. Thanks to some websites like Babelfish, most people can put together a simple and honest ad... facetious wording and less than honest claims can't be glossed over as a verbiage issue.
by leciesters doghandler on 16 March 2010 - 00:03
i put a thread up about this subject a few weeks ago its disgraceful its all i ever see worldclass puppys ,super showline etc it puts me off but like jenni said if someone truely beleaves there are in there heart of hearts then yes put it but if not then dont
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by Jenni78 on 16 March 2010 - 00:03
Charlie, I mean some of the terms I see over and over from certain countries- seems more like an improper word use than a blatant exaggeration. Also, you see a lot of "extra male for sale" and the like- we know they don't really mean "extra" but whatever word they put doesn't have an exact translation in the proper context.
I guess, personally, I don't really care that much b/c I don't look as much at the lingo as I do the dogs, who is selling them (the dog world is small- not hard to do your homework and get references) their bloodlines, etc. etc. Some people are obviously selling average pups but of course they won't say that. My belief is simply to not BREED average pups and then you won't have to worry about your conscience when you say they're great pups!
I guess, personally, I don't really care that much b/c I don't look as much at the lingo as I do the dogs, who is selling them (the dog world is small- not hard to do your homework and get references) their bloodlines, etc. etc. Some people are obviously selling average pups but of course they won't say that. My belief is simply to not BREED average pups and then you won't have to worry about your conscience when you say they're great pups!
by charlie319 on 16 March 2010 - 04:03
Granted, most people think that their dog is just what the breed should be, but the truth is otherwise. I've seen some of the wording you refer to, but I don't believe that someone who is looking to collect a grand or more per puppy is going to be that haphazzard about their promotional information. I believe that they incurr in such idiomatic errors to give themselves a bit of wiggle room.
While I think that every breeder should endeavor to breed a better dog than what they have in their possession, the fact is that if all breeders bred $2K puppies, the breed would literaly price itself into oblivion. There is a purpose for the so-called "average pups", and it is as an entry level vehicle that may encourage the owner into joining a sporting dog club and/or plunking down some real money and getting a better dog. I myself have taken that incremental route. IMPO, an average GSD (assuming it has no health or temperament issues) is still a pretty good dog. Such a good dog, might convince its owners or other who enter in contact with the breed to get a better example of these extraordinary dogs. At one time, the GSD was the dog of choice in America. I'd like to see them recover that position.
While I think that every breeder should endeavor to breed a better dog than what they have in their possession, the fact is that if all breeders bred $2K puppies, the breed would literaly price itself into oblivion. There is a purpose for the so-called "average pups", and it is as an entry level vehicle that may encourage the owner into joining a sporting dog club and/or plunking down some real money and getting a better dog. I myself have taken that incremental route. IMPO, an average GSD (assuming it has no health or temperament issues) is still a pretty good dog. Such a good dog, might convince its owners or other who enter in contact with the breed to get a better example of these extraordinary dogs. At one time, the GSD was the dog of choice in America. I'd like to see them recover that position.
by Jonah1 on 16 March 2010 - 09:03
DIESEL. I read ya post over agin ----- not avin a dig at anyone ya said --- thats an obvious untruth an darn slimey Mr. Nye !, easy ta find tha litter and tha dogs ya diggin at aye !. Out for mischief makin agin Tom Nye aye !. Ya shuld be digging at tha workin breeders that aint got na scruples ----- plenty o them aye, na different ta tha showin lines wen it comes ta scruples aye !. Fer a taster yer got 2 BAGSD workin breeders ( one ya side kick an tha other un is down south somewere ) both of em av bred an sold pups that ad ta be operated on fer bad elbows befor they wer 6 month old an wot da tha owners get wen they tell tha breeders ?, tha breeders didna wanna know !!!!!!!!!!. Ya shuld be encouragin an helpin tha novice breeders that ar doin right by thar dogs not bein darn spiteful aye !.
SOMETIMES YER GET WOT YER PAY FER AN SOMETIMES YA DONT AYE !!!!.
SOMETIMES YER GET WOT YER PAY FER AN SOMETIMES YA DONT AYE !!!!.
by tigermouse on 16 March 2010 - 17:03
Tom what is your problem? it is obvious you have other motives here
what difference does it make if the parents are worked publicly???
You mean to say that because dogs arnt taken round sch clubs in the UK they cant work??
As most of you on here know I am a novice but I take this very seriously and have had a good source of knowledge from my working contacts on the continent as well as the UK.
Although my bitch hasn't got the best pedigree in the world I could have done far worse for my foundation bitch.
The stud that I have used this time is a German import who has SCHH3 V, FH1 V, HD/ED A-NORMAL Kkl 1
I have watched him work and play he also played with my kids.
And the owner was only too happy to let me see this.
what more do you need!!!
There is no way I am selling a well bred litter for the same price as litters that are of lesser quality
would you sell a mclaren f1 for the same price as a mini?!!!!
This dog is the FULL PACKAGE excellent bloodlines, working ability second to none, stunning conformation, temperament to die for.
He is the best example of a GSD I have seen to date.
So have a pop at the breeders that breed blues livers whites and sell them for £700+ or the breeders that have poor bloodlines
NOT the small working breeders that are trying to improve the breed.
I have seen the way some working line breeders raise their pups and it makes me sick the poor pups are shoved in a kennel/shed with some straw no toys no socialization and very little time spent with them... not a great start hey.
I rear my puppies to the highest standards
They are fed the best food they have toys and plenty of socialization and they are given the best start possible
I spend time with the pups and I know each pups individual personality and character.
I thoroughly check each person that inquires about my pups and am quite happy to refuse a sale if I feel that the people arnt suitable.
The chances of finding a decent working home for working bred pups is very slim at the best of times so the temperament and character of sire and dam is essential
It would be very easy to go to any sch club and use a mediocre stud dog but i prefer to have a dog with
Kkl 1 SCHH3 HD/ED A-NORMAL haemo clear i also look for consistency in a stud dogs pedigree on both sire and dam.
At the end of the day a dog can be the best dog in the world but without good trainer / handler it doesn't stand a chance of getting to the top dose it tom?
Regards,
Tracie
what difference does it make if the parents are worked publicly???
You mean to say that because dogs arnt taken round sch clubs in the UK they cant work??
As most of you on here know I am a novice but I take this very seriously and have had a good source of knowledge from my working contacts on the continent as well as the UK.
Although my bitch hasn't got the best pedigree in the world I could have done far worse for my foundation bitch.
The stud that I have used this time is a German import who has SCHH3 V, FH1 V, HD/ED A-NORMAL Kkl 1
I have watched him work and play he also played with my kids.
And the owner was only too happy to let me see this.
what more do you need!!!
There is no way I am selling a well bred litter for the same price as litters that are of lesser quality
would you sell a mclaren f1 for the same price as a mini?!!!!
This dog is the FULL PACKAGE excellent bloodlines, working ability second to none, stunning conformation, temperament to die for.
He is the best example of a GSD I have seen to date.
So have a pop at the breeders that breed blues livers whites and sell them for £700+ or the breeders that have poor bloodlines
NOT the small working breeders that are trying to improve the breed.
I have seen the way some working line breeders raise their pups and it makes me sick the poor pups are shoved in a kennel/shed with some straw no toys no socialization and very little time spent with them... not a great start hey.
I rear my puppies to the highest standards
They are fed the best food they have toys and plenty of socialization and they are given the best start possible
I spend time with the pups and I know each pups individual personality and character.
I thoroughly check each person that inquires about my pups and am quite happy to refuse a sale if I feel that the people arnt suitable.
The chances of finding a decent working home for working bred pups is very slim at the best of times so the temperament and character of sire and dam is essential
It would be very easy to go to any sch club and use a mediocre stud dog but i prefer to have a dog with
Kkl 1 SCHH3 HD/ED A-NORMAL haemo clear i also look for consistency in a stud dogs pedigree on both sire and dam.
At the end of the day a dog can be the best dog in the world but without good trainer / handler it doesn't stand a chance of getting to the top dose it tom?
Regards,
Tracie
by Jonah1 on 17 March 2010 - 17:03
GOOD ON YA TIGERMOUSE !!!!!. TOM NYE AN HIS MOTTLEY CREW COULDNA BE MOR DARN SLIMEY IF YA ROLLED EM IN A BARREL OF K-Y JELLY AYE AYE !.
by smarticus on 17 March 2010 - 21:03
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