Top PRODUCING Stud in Europe?

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by Vikram on 22 June 2009 - 12:06

My criteria is that these lines are proven for more and 30 years now. Nick lines being the most dominantly used in recent years. These dogs are producing very good in Europe and world over. If you observer their progenies and the right combinations with the females you will observer that these dogs are top for the Sport as well as the correct temprament and character true to the breed.

cheers

by W Miller on 22 June 2009 - 12:06

Alkster - found him on myvideo, he looks nice.
Warren

by Sam Spade on 22 June 2009 - 13:06

Vikram
I agree that Nick was a top producing stud, but what makes you say that about Max?
I've seen a few Max Offspring here in the US and have been offered a few by people trying to sell theirs.
I'm not saying you're wrong or right, but wanted to know why you make the statement. Reaching the podium or at least doing well in events is a valid barometer. How else do you know? By that logic, every BYB can say they have the best producing stud, but none of the offspring make it out of their backyards.
How many of Max's offspring are being used in Law Enforcement? Just curious.

by alkster2002 on 22 June 2009 - 14:06

Making the podium with a particular dog is not proper criteria for making a decision for breeding ..... genetics should be the criteria ..... not the expert training it took to put the dog on the podium. Sure trainability has to be rendered in the picture but then again this can be genetics on how the dog focuses to being trained.

by Vikram on 22 June 2009 - 15:06

In my humble opinion making on the podium is a solid business model and their are ways and means to get the man& dog team to win a trophy. The dog game's inner workings are sundry and meandering. I have seen max and number of his offsprings. The dog has over the top drives and real social aggression not just social frustration. His combination with particular bitches is producing really good dogs ( atleast in Europe) and they are also being used for KNPV.
I agree that dogs like Max are not for the common handler and Nick lines especially produces handler hardness( Not Agression)
These dogs require to move with the swaya nd not conflict based handling and total correction model.

cheers

by Red Leg on 22 June 2009 - 16:06

Bomber is a great looking dog!!! I'll be getting a puppy at the end of august from Phalko vom Weinbergblick who came in 4th at the Bundessiegerprufung 2008. So get ready to see a lot of post from me in a few months!!!

by Red Sable on 22 June 2009 - 16:06

Bomber is a great looking dog, as is Eliot, two of my most favourite.

by duke1965 on 22 June 2009 - 18:06

making the podium is not a criteria as much as proven bloodlines is not, because if that was so , everybody breeding to nick lines , for example , would breed superdogs in your opinion
the original question was top producing / most sought after

if you look at breedingrecords , and lineups in competitions , you would expect to find offspring of topproducing and/or most sought after males in there at least a few times , if breeders and trainers do not use /desire certain lines/dogs , who would they be "sought ater' by

KNPV?? check bloedlijnen.nl under nesten and dekreuen , gives you an insight there in the lines used

no BS just facts

by Vikram on 22 June 2009 - 18:06

read my post again if you will, I wrote these proven lines/dogs WITH THE RIGHT BITCHES COMBINATIONS IS PRODUCING GOOD DOGS....

try not to be so much keyboard happy :)

cheers & good luck

by Vikram on 22 June 2009 - 18:06

"His combination with particular bitches is producing really good dogs ( atleast in Europe) and they are also being used for KNPV."

in case you missed your spectacles...

cheers

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