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by DKiah on 31 May 2009 - 12:05
I think if you fed the pup by hand and touch him while he's eating he will eventually realize that all is well..... pick up the bowl, put it back down
I also feed raw and will either hand pieces to the pup/dog or just hold the bowl... while they eat, touch their head, move my hands around
It is pretty normal but it does come down to your relationship with the dog in the end.. it will escalate as he matures and can become an issue
You need to work on taking bones and toys away now while he's little.....
Remember you are the fair, benevolent dictator and everything good is yours and comes from you! And dogs being the opportunistic self satisfying creatures that they are quickly figure out what gets them what they want..
Good luck
I also feed raw and will either hand pieces to the pup/dog or just hold the bowl... while they eat, touch their head, move my hands around
It is pretty normal but it does come down to your relationship with the dog in the end.. it will escalate as he matures and can become an issue
You need to work on taking bones and toys away now while he's little.....
Remember you are the fair, benevolent dictator and everything good is yours and comes from you! And dogs being the opportunistic self satisfying creatures that they are quickly figure out what gets them what they want..
Good luck
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 31 May 2009 - 22:05
Listen what Duke poster said.
Also, feed him out of your hand as Daryl described.
Between those 2, it should not become an issue and you should not let it become an issue, because pup will grow up.
Also, after initial success with hand feeding and when growling stops, when you give him your bowl of raw food, let him eat it while you stick you hand in the food while he is eating and pet him with your other hand.
That should do it.
Also, feed him out of your hand as Daryl described.
Between those 2, it should not become an issue and you should not let it become an issue, because pup will grow up.
Also, after initial success with hand feeding and when growling stops, when you give him your bowl of raw food, let him eat it while you stick you hand in the food while he is eating and pet him with your other hand.
That should do it.
by justcurious on 01 June 2009 - 01:06
all our dogs have growled when first introduced to raw but they soon learn there's more where that comes from so no need to stress. we teach them to be "easy" and "relax". after a period of adjustment, enough time for the novelty wears off, we start moving around and touching the pup. petting him and when he growls we tell him to "relax" and "be easy" in a very calm voice. soon they trust that you are not going to steal their food and pretty much ignore your presence while eating. you can also start offering some really great food something he loves even more - something like goat cheese - approach him call his name and offer it so he associates you coming close with really great treats. soon you should be able to pick up his bowl without objection.
the way i see it is the growling is not a bad thing, in fact it's normal and is important communication but you need to know what he's saying. i think the real issue is he's not confident you will not take his food away or that if you do he won't be getting it back. trust is very often not just given particualrly by pups but is easily earned and fostered by being kind and understanding. if you show him respect and teach him manners the growling will fade - it always has for us - jmo & good luck, susan
the way i see it is the growling is not a bad thing, in fact it's normal and is important communication but you need to know what he's saying. i think the real issue is he's not confident you will not take his food away or that if you do he won't be getting it back. trust is very often not just given particualrly by pups but is easily earned and fostered by being kind and understanding. if you show him respect and teach him manners the growling will fade - it always has for us - jmo & good luck, susan
by RIN TIN TIN on 01 June 2009 - 03:06
Thanks guys for the inputs.
Definetely we shouldn't let them,for puppies it might be cute but it wouldn't be cute anymore when they are matured already.
Do some people encouaged this trait?If so,what is it for?
At the Tiekerhook video on their website,it seems that they consider this as a positve trait.
Definetely we shouldn't let them,for puppies it might be cute but it wouldn't be cute anymore when they are matured already.
Do some people encouaged this trait?If so,what is it for?
At the Tiekerhook video on their website,it seems that they consider this as a positve trait.
by darylehret on 01 June 2009 - 06:06
It can be. It's a behavior that's often intimately (but not necessarily) characterized with dominance aggression. The dog is conveying that it's more than willing to face a confrontation, rather than avoid one. Or, it may just be bluffing ;-)
by steve1 on 01 June 2009 - 06:06
I have said it before
All Pups or dogs that come into my home are fed by hand for two weeks, every bit of food they eat from my hand and have done so for 50 odd years never an issue eating or being able to put my hand in a feed bowl, to take a bit out to feed the dog with and i do it often Most times i feed a dog bit by bit anyway because mine will clear it in a second so i slow them down by putting a bit in the bowl a little at the time then they cannot wolf it down which i do not like
The new Pup in July after two days to acclimatise to where she is will be treated the same way
Steve
All Pups or dogs that come into my home are fed by hand for two weeks, every bit of food they eat from my hand and have done so for 50 odd years never an issue eating or being able to put my hand in a feed bowl, to take a bit out to feed the dog with and i do it often Most times i feed a dog bit by bit anyway because mine will clear it in a second so i slow them down by putting a bit in the bowl a little at the time then they cannot wolf it down which i do not like
The new Pup in July after two days to acclimatise to where she is will be treated the same way
Steve
by duke1965 on 01 June 2009 - 07:06
daryll wrote
It can be. It's a behavior that's often intimately (but not necessarily) characterized with dominance aggression. The dog is conveying that it's more than willing to face a confrontation, rather than avoid one. Or, it may just be bluffing ;-)
either whitch scenario daryll writes is not good
dominance and agression WITHOUT COURAGE is definately not what you want
dominance and agression backed up WITH COURAGE in a dog thats more than willing to face a confrontation with YOU.THE OWNER is most definately not what you want
If the dog is bluffing or growling out of insecurity he will probably run when faced with a real threat
on the outside you cant see how stable or courages a dog is ,but he can show agression
people who like to show off the agression of their doggy basically want to say mine is bigger than yours
rintintin ,you give the answer yoursef
when they mature its not cute anymore , especially if you have a wife and kids living with you and the dog
good luck
It can be. It's a behavior that's often intimately (but not necessarily) characterized with dominance aggression. The dog is conveying that it's more than willing to face a confrontation, rather than avoid one. Or, it may just be bluffing ;-)
either whitch scenario daryll writes is not good
dominance and agression WITHOUT COURAGE is definately not what you want
dominance and agression backed up WITH COURAGE in a dog thats more than willing to face a confrontation with YOU.THE OWNER is most definately not what you want
If the dog is bluffing or growling out of insecurity he will probably run when faced with a real threat
on the outside you cant see how stable or courages a dog is ,but he can show agression
people who like to show off the agression of their doggy basically want to say mine is bigger than yours
rintintin ,you give the answer yoursef
when they mature its not cute anymore , especially if you have a wife and kids living with you and the dog
good luck
by AmbiiGSD on 01 June 2009 - 10:06
My old Dalmatian bitch used to have to occasionally be re-informed that i could take anything from her mouth. She would get possesive over bones etc.
Go to take bone of dog, dog growls, don't hesitate whip it out of its mouth, and put it somewhere the dog can see it but can't get it, leave for 10 minutes and give back.
Rinse and repeat increasing the time the dog can't have the object everytime the dog growls.
Usually after 3 or 4 repeats the dog realises if it doesn't growl it gets to keep it's prize.
Always worked on her, but saying that she was missing so many teeth she could only give you a nasty suck!
Puppies can be swines with raw, I still have the scars from trying to stop Raven at 8 wks old swallowing a chicken wing whole, I stupidly stuck my fingers in her mouth to grab it before she choked and she bit down... needless to say I missed the chicken wing as she gulped it down, whilst her needle teeth were sunk to the bone in my finger!
Go to take bone of dog, dog growls, don't hesitate whip it out of its mouth, and put it somewhere the dog can see it but can't get it, leave for 10 minutes and give back.
Rinse and repeat increasing the time the dog can't have the object everytime the dog growls.
Usually after 3 or 4 repeats the dog realises if it doesn't growl it gets to keep it's prize.
Always worked on her, but saying that she was missing so many teeth she could only give you a nasty suck!
Puppies can be swines with raw, I still have the scars from trying to stop Raven at 8 wks old swallowing a chicken wing whole, I stupidly stuck my fingers in her mouth to grab it before she choked and she bit down... needless to say I missed the chicken wing as she gulped it down, whilst her needle teeth were sunk to the bone in my finger!
by darylehret on 01 June 2009 - 14:06
"dominance and agression backed up WITH COURAGE in a dog thats more than willing to face a confrontation with YOU.THE OWNER is most definately not what you want"
It's not that the underlying character itself is undesireable, a tenacious spirit certainly has its merits. Perhaps not for everyone. But the allowable context for it's expression must be taught; and if directed at the handler, then by corrective actions and dissolved through bonding process, and at the earliest stage possible. When the food drive is strong, it makes for a useful training aid in obedience. Come time for protectionwork, the dog that can withstand greater pressure while sustaining drive aggression, is preferred for some people. A dog that perfers a happy game of sleevework, needs a more sensitive approach from the helper, but in the end can still display a nice presentation on the field as well. To say that it is undesireable behavior at all, is perhaps the reason selective breeding has taken a turn for worse in the modern breed.
It's not that the underlying character itself is undesireable, a tenacious spirit certainly has its merits. Perhaps not for everyone. But the allowable context for it's expression must be taught; and if directed at the handler, then by corrective actions and dissolved through bonding process, and at the earliest stage possible. When the food drive is strong, it makes for a useful training aid in obedience. Come time for protectionwork, the dog that can withstand greater pressure while sustaining drive aggression, is preferred for some people. A dog that perfers a happy game of sleevework, needs a more sensitive approach from the helper, but in the end can still display a nice presentation on the field as well. To say that it is undesireable behavior at all, is perhaps the reason selective breeding has taken a turn for worse in the modern breed.
by duke1965 on 01 June 2009 - 14:06
dogs as discribed above are not for most people , only a few handlers can and will handle a dog like that
the other pups in the litter have to be sold also , were do they go??
strong fooddrive is good but many dogs display great fooddrive without agression , one comes without the other
you write
perhaps the reason selective breeding has taken a turn for worse in the modern breed.
daryll you know that these traits you think are desirable come in certain lines that are spread widely in the breed (workinglines)so according to your reasoning the breed should be in great shape
imo mistaking agression for courage is a problem , another problem is imo too little sharpness in the dogs , they bite because they wanna posess the prey (sleeve) instead out of defensedrive , result , no sleeve = no biting , and bad guarding , threat without a sleeve will cause great confusion
we also see this behaviour in handleragressive dogs , so a handleragressive is not per se a great couragous dog , these are separate things
rintintin sorry for hyjacking your threat
the other pups in the litter have to be sold also , were do they go??
strong fooddrive is good but many dogs display great fooddrive without agression , one comes without the other
you write
perhaps the reason selective breeding has taken a turn for worse in the modern breed.
daryll you know that these traits you think are desirable come in certain lines that are spread widely in the breed (workinglines)so according to your reasoning the breed should be in great shape
imo mistaking agression for courage is a problem , another problem is imo too little sharpness in the dogs , they bite because they wanna posess the prey (sleeve) instead out of defensedrive , result , no sleeve = no biting , and bad guarding , threat without a sleeve will cause great confusion
we also see this behaviour in handleragressive dogs , so a handleragressive is not per se a great couragous dog , these are separate things
rintintin sorry for hyjacking your threat
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