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V7 Fedor vom Steinway-Park 


SCHH3
 Kkl 1 

Sire Born: 30. July 2000

V7 Fedor vom Steinway-Park

SZ  2070458
Hip: SV: HD a-fast normal (a2) - Elbows: Not known
DNA: stored
Tattoo: C-K 2062
microchip: 276098100451828

Breed report

Groß,mittelkräftig,sehr guter Kopf und Ausdruck,hoher Widerrist, sehr gute Ober- und Unterlinie mit guter Länge und Lage der Kruppe,sehr gute Brustverhältnisse,korrekt in der Front,gute Vor- und sehr gute Hinterhand,in der Bewegung entwickelt er gute Gänge mit kraftvollen Aktionen aus der Hinterhand.TSB ausgeprägt, lässt ab.

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Pedigree

SCHH3

V37 Wasko von Aducht SCHH3 male

1998
SZ 2020102
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V37 Wasko von Aducht

In sehr gutem Verhältnis aufgebauter, großer, trockener, fester, kraft- und gehaltvoller Rüde mit sehr gutem Ausdruck und Gepräge. Hoher Widerrist, schöne Linie, gute Länge und Lage der Kruppe. Sehr gut gewinkelte Vor- und Hinterhand, ausgeglichene Brustverhältnisse, gerade Front. Geradetretend, zeigt er flüssige, raumschaffende Gänge mit kraftvollem Nachschub und freiem Vortritt. Sicheres Wesen, TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab. V. Ausdrucksvoller und geprägestarker Rüde mit ansprechenden Gebäudeanlagen. VI. Geeignet zur Verbesserung von Typ, Ausdruck, Gepräge, Kraft und Gehalt.

SCHH3

VA1 Ursus von Batu SCHH3 male

1995
SZ 1932624
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA1 Ursus von Batu

SCHH3

VA1(I) Hobby vom Gletschertopf SCHH3 male

1993
SZ 1859356
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA1(I) Hobby vom Gletschertopf

SCHH2

V Verena von Batu SCHH2 female

1992
SZ 1834230
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
V Verena von Batu

SCHH2

VA18 Amsel von Tronje SCHH2 female

1996
SZ 1959467
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
VA18 Amsel von Tronje

SCHH3

VA7 Pitt von Tronje SCHH3 male

1993
SZ 1882021
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA7 Pitt von Tronje

SCHH1

V Anchie vom Grenzland SCHH1 female

1992
SZ 1856940
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
V Anchie vom Grenzland

SchH3

V Wendy vom Steinway-Park SchH3 female

1996
SZ 1965417
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam

Große, kraft- und gehaltvolle, gut pigmentierte Hündin mit hohem Widerrist. Gute Ober- und korrekte Unterlinie, sehr gute Vor- und Hinterhandwinkelung, normale Brustbildung, gerade Front, vorn und hinten geradetretend kommen ihre weitausgreifenden Gänge aus festem Rücken. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.

SCHH3

V2 Yassko von der Roten Matter SCHH3 male

1993
SZ 1869422
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V2 Yassko von der Roten Matter

SCHH3, FH

VA1 Jeck vom Noricum SCHH3, FH male

1987
SZ 1705812
HD-SV: HD a-noch zugelassen (a3)
Sire
VA1 Jeck vom Noricum

SCHH1, HGH

V4 Ostra vom Kirschental SCHH1, HGH female

1986
SZ 1677886
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
SchH3

SG Maja vom Steinway-Park SchH3 female

1992
SZ 1829933
HD-normal
Dam
SchH3

V Volker vom Fourniermühlenbach SchH3 male

1989
SZ 1753427
HD-normal
Sire
V Volker vom Fourniermühlenbach

SchH1

V Dana von der Dunieschenke SchH1 female

1989
SZ 1754299
HD-fast normal
Dam


User comments



Anu
Comments: 170
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 01:21 pm
Fedor's daughter Mellie von Batu was placed V6 at the sieger show this year!
javo
Comments: 35
Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2004 07:44 pm
For Veit look at www.vonderyuri.com
wacky
wacky
Comments: 221
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:00 am
I'am looking for Veit
Anu
Comments: 170
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 01:21 pm
Wavky, Fedor vom Steinway Park is now in Ireland.
New owner is Mr Des Perkins
http://www.rudesheimgsd.com

Thanks to Sid for this info!
javo
Comments: 35
Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2004 07:44 pm
Which dog Wacky, Fedor or veit
wacky
wacky
Comments: 221
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:00 am
does anyone know who the new owner of this dog.
Anu
Comments: 170
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 01:21 pm
Fedor was VA7 at the USA sieger show!

I will try and find out from his owners in India where he went VA1.
gvchavana
Comments: 4
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:08 am
fedor is an outstanding dog, but i would like know the name of the contry where was VA1.
sid71
Comments: 1
Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2004 05:04 pm
Just to let members know that Fedor vom Steinway Park is now in Ireland.
New owner is Mr Des Perkins
http://www.rudesheimgsd.com
Jascanine
Comments: 25
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2004 01:17 pm
Great going for Fedor GOING VA in the States. What has happened, other than VA Kevin Murrtal all the other dogs rated over him are either lower rated than him or not rated at all in Germany, even an American bred is rated above him. Don't the people of India think there is someone trying to malign him even in the States. You know what I think its that same handler. Have fun
Patiala
Comments: 76
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 07:53 am
Hi Ajit:

Thank you for the kind introduction. I just registered with the GSD Pedigree Search.

Ajay Singh
www.ajaysingh.com
MATHAUS
Comments: 254
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:03 pm
Still owned by Indian enthusiasts- Abdullah, Vijay Singh and Harcharan. Few people know that Vijay's brother is a great GSD enthusiast- Ajay Singh. The only foreigner in the American Team for GSD working dogs to have bred, owned and trained a dog which was a part of the US team.
MATHAUS
Comments: 254
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:03 pm
Still owned by Indian enthusiasts- Abdullah, Vijay Singh and Harcharan. Few people know that Vijay's brother is a great GSD enthusiast- Ajay Singh. The only foreigner in the American Team for GSD working dogs to have bred, owned and trained a dog which was a part of the US team.
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
VA7 in NASS.The owner's name shows Dietmar Nohe.I guess Fedor is not coming back to India.
vish
Comments: 71
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
Exactly mathaus Fedor is definitely above the Indian titles as of today.he like quando & even more than quando will definitely add a lot to the gsd stock of India which has seen an improvement in the last fewyears.every reak gsd enthusiast is looking forward to using him on his lines irrespective of the results of Indian shows which dont even matter to many.
MATHAUS
Comments: 254
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:03 pm
A great dog. We had a very nice litter of 4 males and one female in Hyderabad sired by Fedor.
In this there are atleast three males I understand are very good.The female is being retained and so thats four out of 5 - a great litter.
I agree dogs like Fedor should not bother about Indian titles. Well there are some dogs who achieve a lot outside India and others who achieve only in India- both imports. Fedor is a part of the former breed.
All the best to Vijay, Abdullah and Harcharan.
vish
Comments: 71
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
Yes fedor is being used very widely inspite of his high stud fees & he has had litters but very recently
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
V18 2002 - GERMAN SIEGER SHOW
V7 2003 - GERMAN SIEGER SHOW
Results that clearly demonstE this dogs WORLD STATUS.

Fedor is an outstanding top class male, who is certainly a valuable source of Sieger Ursus von Batu blood. being a son Wasko vom Aducht, who is a direct son of Ursus x VA Amsel vom Tronje. Fedor's mother being a SchH3 daughter of Yassko von der Roten Matter, well known for his robust character, and for transmitting this to his progeny, including amongst them, the VA and top producer Neptun vom Bad-Boll.

All of this and his superb line-breeding of Jeck 4-3, Odin 5,5-4, Mark 5,5-4 makes Fedor a very useful and valuable stud dog indeed.

Fedor now resides in India, with his owners Abdullah Noori, Vijay Singh and Harchand Singh. He is being very successfully campaigned and used by many of the top GSD Kennels throughout India, his contribution to the breed in India will be substantial. His daughters will have the opportunity of creating wonderful FOUNDATIONS for the growing number of GSD kennels throughout India. His excellent sons spreading his excellent genes accross the Indian GSD scene.

I also understand the owners of Fedor have been requested, to let him return to Germany for stud purposes, His stud value cleary is recognised at the pinnicle of our breed.
wizard
Comments: 147
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 09:45 pm
Im sure people have used Fedor, Has anyone had litters from this guy ? To early to say anything about his progeny but how do they look etc ...?
Kerry
Comments: 53
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:20 pm
Hi Sohit,
I understand the connection a little better since you've posted over on Message Board. Thanks for the explanation.
Do you know how many breedings Fedor gets during the year, despite the kennel club issue?
I don't ask this question to be funny, but, since Fedor is V-rated, why is it important to get the Indian titles? In other words, if the kennel club's decisions are not respected, why care so much about them? Are there any nearby countries nearby that have German Style shows for GSDs only?
sohit
Comments: 3
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 08:49 am
Yes mathaus its good if you had the guts to oppose a thing like this.
kerry - I want to clarify one thing please. It is related to fedor to the extent that this mismanagement and manipulations reached the pinnacle and crossed all levels of shamelessness and toleration for the majority of dog lovers antd to some extent even outside india after fedor was (stage maneaged) beaten by far inferior dogs in a number of shows nad so you can say fedors illtreatment is the zenith to which the game can go down, it cannot go down any further so fedor in a way signifies the lowest point of the doggie game in india and might finish the stream of quality imports coming to india. i know that all genuine gsd enthusiasts whom i meet face to face agree to this.
thanx
Kerry
Comments: 53
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:20 pm
Look on the Message Board. There's a thread started by Dyanesh entitled THE DOG GAME OF INDIA!!!
Please share your Indian GSD information there. Thanks!
MATHAUS
Comments: 254
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:03 pm
Sohit,
I just wish to add a correction. When Jochen called us Indians that name he was talking to me and I did vehemently ask him to take back all that he said. I spoke to Sanjay also about this and sanjay did apologise for Jochen. I do not think you can get it better from anyone else - this is Ist person.
Ajit Mathew
Kerry
Comments: 53
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:20 pm
You know, this might be a very interesting and enlightening discussion on the Message Board. (without the name calling, of course) I think that the rest of the world would be interested in the Indian Dog Scene, and the history of the seemingly endless political troubles with the Indian Kennel Club. Visum initiated a discussion on the Message Board, but nobody followed up with further comments.
This doesn't have anything to do with Fedor, any more, as far as I can see.
sohit
Comments: 3
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 08:49 am
It seems everybody is expecting something from others. the current position is that the game is centralised and controlled in very limited hands. it's no joke to change the current setup. also the people are totally divided and it needs a coming together of strong people with resources efforts and intentions to challenge the current setup. when all these people put up their views it's not a trumpet they are blowing but their frustration may be at this filthy state. so no use pricking anyone if somebody has the guts then come forward do something then throw taunts at others whether it is anyone.
The fact is that we Indians have become so submissive that nothing is going to awake us now. even jochen abusing indians in front of a group of 15-20 people did not raised any eyebrows from our slleping lions who will roar over a trivial issue with another indian. The only possibility is the Government or the ministry of agriculture taking over the affairs if this state of affairs continue or if the monetary exploits happening there come to their notice.
wildstrobe
wildstrobe
Comments: 133
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2003 02:24 pm
DEAR MR;NUMMER EIN,WIZARD AND ALL OTHERS WHO SUPPORTED AND AGREES WITH THE STATEMENT OF SOLO.WHAT ACTIONS DID U TAKE AFTER READING SUCH AN INSPIRATIONAL COMMENT?IF NOT,WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE RATHER THAN BEATING YOUR OWN TRUMPETS.DO YOU WANT OTHERS TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU SIT IDLE WATCHING THE FUN?GENTLEMEN,PLEASE LEAD FROM THE FRONT.MAY GOD HELP YOU IN YOUR CRUSADE.
vish
Comments: 71
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
What all of you are saying is right. bbbbut Without actions words are meaning. It needs people to come together, pool their resources , put a lot of efforts to do this.
So Words should be followed by action to do something. Solo is very right that he can support you morally and his righting here so boldly means a lot for any person who has some shame but main effort has to be from people here.
skywalker
Comments: 169
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:42 am
I CANNOT AGREE MORE WITH WIZARD AND SOLO ITS HI TIME THIS GAME IS TAKEN AWAY FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO TREAT IT LIKE A PUPET SHOW AND MAKE IT FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST. BUT THIS SHOULD BE CORRECTED VERY SOON AND MADE A MORE COMPETITIVE PLACE FOR ALL AND THEN SEE THE FUN!
wizard
Comments: 147
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 09:45 pm
How can someone help us if we r not willing to help ourselves?? lets get together and boycott this german shepherd soceity which is in hands of maupalators like desai, throw them out and do what solo has told us! A NEW GSD SOCEITY SHOULD BE MADE , which can do something for the betterment of this beautiful breed, any witout the NORTh - SOUTH grudges!

There are people who want to do soemthing but how long can people keep trying all by themselves??
WE SHALL ALL GET TOGETHER,,
form a new gsd club , with a gsd gazette and more of speciality shows etc any more comments most welcome ```

nummer ein
Comments: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2003 07:20 am
welcome bak solo, welcome bak!!!
Help us clean up da doggy game in India!
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
"ACTION" SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS!
All genuine GSD enthusiasts should consider some form of "JOINT ACTION" against the pathetic state of the current Show Game in INDIA.
"JOINT ACTION" can take several forms, and include "A BOYCOTT" - "A PETITION" - "A BANNER WAVING DEMONSTRATION" - "WEARING BLACK ARMBANDS AT SHOWS" - "CIRCULATING APPROPRIATE LEAFLETS AT SHOWS" - "CHALLENGING THE CURRENT REGIME THROUGH THE RULES OF THE KCI" - "REPORTING RIDICULOUS JUDGING DECISIONS" - "REPLACE THE CURRENT REGIME" - "ORGANISE GSD SEMINARS" - "EDUCATE GSD ENTHUSIASTS REGARDING 'THE GSD STANDARD'" - "ONLY SHOW UNDER HONEST AND COMPETENT JUDGES" - etc. etc. etc.
"THE FUTURE OF THE GSD IN INDIA, IS IN THE HANDS OF ALL GENUINE GSD ENTHUSIASTS IN INDIA."
People like me, can only advise and give limited support.
I send you ALL my best wishes for your sincere efforts.
venusy
Comments: 15
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 07:40 am
ice
i dont agree with you. most of the people already share the views of solo atleast in india. but they are silent,passive and have become used to the system. others are afraid to say anything. have you seen a breeder being beaten black and blue just because he opposed cv sudershan. this has happened in bangalore and he was forced to sell his dogs because their registration were canceled. two persons were removed from the kci committee because they opposed cv sudershans monetary exploits. its good that a veteran like you have had the guts to call this nonsense which is highly appreciative. they have publisehed a silly magazine which is compulsory for everyone to subscribe which includes ancient breed standards and many pages repeated,apart from one or two articles picked up from foreign magazines and is far overpriced.i wonder where does the huge surpluses of kci goes???? we will wait for the day when the kci and gsd club became as such instead of cvs club or desai club or this organisation comes in some better hands.
vish
Comments: 71
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
Solo
I feel like saluting you, that there are still people who can express their views in such a forthright way AND ALONGWITH DISCLOSING YOUR NAME,against the nonsense going on. If there would have been more people like you in India things would have been better here.
Watching the shows are becoming disgusting & your decision is very right-why waste so much time and money to watch this nonsense fixed up shows.
I hope more people learn from this and the Indian dog game comes in better hands.

Regards
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
Solo,
ferget it,the people do not understand your point of view. Ferget it really.
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
I have just returned from India, having been there for 4 weeks, and I also attended the SIEGER SHOW (INDIA).
I have to say the following:
I WOULD NOT TAKE PART IN THE GSD SHOW GAME IN INDIA, UNDER THE CURRENT REGIME.
The all breed judges make some incredible decisions and many obviously have little knowledge of the GSD. Many decisions are reached in the India dog game, when considered on the basis of:
"THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES"
are either 'CORRUPT' or 'GROSSLY INCOMPETENT'.
My position is quite simple, I VALUE MY HONESTY, AND I VALUE MY GSD BREED, THEREFORE I WOULD NOT BLESS THIS DOG GAME IN INDIA, UNDER THE EXISTING REGIME, WITH MY DOGS, MY PRESENCE OR MY INVOLVMENT.
"CHANGE IS DESPERATELY NEEDED"
FINALLY: IT IS MY CLEAR OPINION THAT:
"FEDOR vom STEINWAY PARK"
is the most DESERVING "DOG OF THE YEAR"
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
Yes we should have more honest and good judges.The way our dog game is going it won't last long if it continues like this.We should also have more speciality shows here.
Because in an all-breed show it's not possible for a judge to do justice to all the breeds.
venusy
Comments: 15
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 07:40 am
just have a look at all the shows judged by Indian judges. poor fedor has to finish behind the far inferior doberman with a superior owner.(superior only in terms of powers at the kci) which is a closely held company now. no Indian judge has the temerity to change this programmed outcome.
we have paid 35 thou stud fee for fedor and i am sure if cvs is not its owner nobody will pay 5thou for this quite ordinary dobe. an sg dog winning over v rated can happen in India. a great dane or welsh corgi breeder can also judge shepherds here. a 5 month shepherd female can win a cc. Many of you will not be knowing that the judge at the sieger show has sold dogs to desai including memix aus agrigento. i also heard that noone was allowed to go near him in pune citing some language problems. and lastly a all trip paid german broker (who throws all scrap in india - he has also used very abusive language for all indians at pune in a drunken state and got away with it) comes to india with the objective of defeating fedor & helping his another thug friend.
the game in india has come to a very bad state and people may not import such fabulous dogs any more. is this the goal for which the kci and the german shepherd club were formed. they were formed to promote the dog game and the breed and not individuals and their pockets.
it is high time that the dog lovers in this country awaken up . best of luck.
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
Mr.Odin777,
I don't care about your utterly disgusting comments and henceforth will simply avoid reading them.You may write whatever you feel like,I don't care.If it makes you happy carry on.I'm in no mood to write to a person whom I don't know as the id you've given don't disclose your name.Anyways all the best you may carry on throwing mud at me if that's what your intentions are.
Odin777
Comments: 30
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2003 07:03 am
Mr Big B

I here also dont have the time to waste spreading falsely about someone until I am sure of, of a certain thing. So incase if you intend to prove me wrong I hope you come with you real identity and not the Big B because I think your ID means a Big "B" for Big Broker. Since I dont want to waste the space anymore with all this anymore I invite you to have a session directly on a email:

bobo777@rediffmail.com

and then I guess I will prove who is a lunatic , me or you. Time will prove that
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
Mr.Odin777,by God's grace I've a business from where I earn enough for my family and my dogs and I don't need to be a dog-broker.As usual you're proving yourself to be a dirty LIAR.As far as I'm concerned I never met you in my life nor did I ever speak to you(whoever you may be)and never want to meet you also because that'll be below my dignity.If throwing mud at others makes a lunatic like you happy,so be it.
Odin777
Comments: 30
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2003 07:03 am
Big B

If that is what you say, I will say you one thing and that is I am not a broker like you seeling dogs and looting innocent people. So please think ot over and get the answer for yourself.

I guess you know better what you are.
Odin777
Comments: 30
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2003 07:03 am
Big B

If that is what you say, I will say you one thing and that is I am not a broker like you seeling dogs and looting innocent people. So please think ot over and get the answer for yourself.

I guess you know better what you are.
vish
Comments: 71
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
Mr Odin
Why don't you reveal your identity before writing so much .
By saying that big B misled you you are showing your novicity. How can you write about a dog just by somebody misleading you & you not strongly knowing it. Now I think that you are being misled again. Fedor is in a very good shape & he is getting Rs35k for each service from all over India so you need to see him yourself before putting such comments. He was defeated due to many reasons & a grand plan where a Italian dog, A Very well trained german handler & the venue and the judge selected by the planners themselves. But people are paying the largest stud fee -Just try to understand it means they are appreciating him.
There are many good progenies of Quarz apart form agusthas - Pedro is now rated dog in South africa, Vinmins quina has won BOB over V10 Quando and many are listed over this site. I including many of the persons that I interact with have never seen any great dasty progenies but will definitely like to see if there are any.
WHY DON'T YOU PUT THE PICTURES OF ALL THE GREAT DASTY PROGENIES WITH THEIR WINNINGS ON THIS SITE & LET PEOPLE DECIDE instead of using this site for pulling someone on behalf of someone & making many good dogs the target

Regards
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
It's very easy to talk big Mr.Odin777.I think Noori and the co-owners didn't spend so much money only to get BOBs.They want BISs.However I guess you won't understand all this because you've never kept a dog which won a CC leave aside bigger awards or handled a dog to any top awards.Henceforth all your comments in this list will be ignored by me and I apologise to other subscribers for going down to your level.I'll also be forced to report you to OLI if a you abuse.It however speaks of your poor upbringing only,I feel sorry for your parents.
Odin777
Comments: 30
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2003 07:03 am
Mr. Big B______A

I guess you are the intelligent one out here. Fedor though a V7 there in Germany now in India is really in a bad shape and on the Indian Seiger Show the SV Judge was also really shocked to see him. So he had no other way than to put him down to Ful the Itialian dog. The dog didnt move either and was not in the best of his shape. I think when you come to the show ground to exhibit the specimen, it should be in the best of its shape and condition. No matter what it should perform on that day. The V7 doesnt hold importance there, the dog should have the identity of a V7 and not because it was placed elsewhere with that rating.

BOB is important and not the line ups, get that DUMBO.

I think you guess pretty well how intelligent you are????
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
Yes a Minor Puppy getting CC is NOT permitted by the KCI rules.For that matter the minor puppy shouldn't even come inside the ring when the CC judging is going on.I don't blame Odin777 for his utterly stupid comments it is simply because of his total lack of knowledge.
I only reported about a certain show in Jamshedpur which I witnessed and I thought there was nothing wrong in sharing my views about the results.I thought that the Dobe bitch was a deserving winner and stand by my comments.Nowhere it's mentioned that when you discuss the 2nd BIS GSD(Fedor in Jamshedpur won 2nd BIS)you can't comment about the BIS just because it's a Dobe and not a GSD.
Odin777
Comments: 30
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2003 07:03 am
Mr. Big B

I think you are a millenium bug out here, dont you knwo this is not the place for Dobermans, its shepherd all the way through. Get it clear before you try to write something out here, this is not a forum for all breeds. Try getting the oil directly to the Dobe owner, not here. Though the bitch is admiringly wonderful, she does not belong here. I think you better praise about this doberman, I think you will get a Free CHOWMEIN packet anyways.
nummer ein
Comments: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2003 07:20 am
Hiya Vish
Shit Happens......and in India.....all da time!!!.....even da foreign judges....Including da very respectable SV JUDGES....further still, including those who judge in da Sieger Show....u know who.....did dat in da indian sieger show.
.......tell me about it!!...............
Abhai Kaul
vish
Comments: 71
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
I agree to some extent with your views, but this type of judging ,even by ignorance, is not uncommon now. In Agra a puppy GSD (Not Extraordinary by any means in anatomy or performance) was given a cc over far better dogs. You know it very well. But even this act became minor, When we saw the great deed of A MINOR PUPPY GETTING THE CC OVER A NUMBER OF ADULT FEMALES Which I understand is not even permitted by Rules. correct me if I am wrong. What will you call this?

Regards
nummer ein
Comments: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2003 07:20 am
Hi everyone!
Fedor is the most wonderful and by far da most handsome GSD i have ever seen in my life! By God, He is WONDERFUL!!! I personally feel that he was by far da best mover even in the Sieger show at Ulm ...surely giving all the VA dogs a run for their money!!! And his temprament and attitude is gr8 too...this dog is built to move and how.....HE IS FAAAAAAAST!!!...Anyone who has actually seen da dog move would share this view with me....THANK YOU Abdulla & Mr. Vijay Singh for bringing him to india..... He is also being used very widely and i have full, no, blind faith in this dogs abilities to produce amazing puppies who will do him proud in the coming years...!
It is soooo very sad that this dog has become the target of da Indian doggy game politics.... An SG dog Ful goin Indian Sieger over FEDOR is Crap!! Everybody present at da Sieger Show who knows even a little about the GSD could make out the fixing!!!....I really hope that The people who did this feel guilty about their deeds.... Wake up guys! You arent doin any good to the doggy game or to the breed as a whole in India!!! So please put ur differences aside and try for the betterment of da game in india!
May da BEST DOG WIN!!!......POWER TO FEDOR!
i invite comments...and i dont hide my name......
Regards
Abhai Kaul

vish
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Yes sometimes the judging by foriegn judges is very poor although it may not be malafide. I think it also emnates from the fact that A Breed specific judge is doing allbreed judging in India, which Indian judge cannot do. Like a great dane judge threw Fedor out in no time in the Noida show.
In this context Mr solo (D.Payne) statement seems very true that judging like this may discourage people from importing such costly & high rated dogs in the future or stop it altogether. What will have been our STATE OF MIND & HEART IF WE WOULD HAVE GOT SUCH A COSTLY DOG BEATEN BY A ORDINARY SPECIMEN JUST DUE TO SHEER IGNORANCE OR OTHERWISE. SAD!!
Big B
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Had the privilege of seeing Fedor yesterday in the Jamshedpur shows.He's much better than what he looks in the photo and video.Very simlar to his father Wasko.Handled by Mr.Pradip Ghosh he performed very well in the 1st ring under PJ but was not in mood in the 2nd ring.But that shouldn't be the excuse for the judge to give a rather ordinary specimen BOB over him.
Unfortunately it was a bad day for Abdullah as he won another 2nd BIS under Mr.Philip John and lost in the class under Mr.Grimbley.
Mr.Grimbley's opinion in most breeds were rather shocking as he also threw out the best Dobe bitch who won consecutive 4 BISs and also won another BIS yesterday under Mr.P.John.He also did whatever he felt like and didn't give Best Opposite Sex awards in most breeds including the GSD and Boxer.It's high time the clubs join hands to find better judges.
HOWDEDO
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I am sure Abdullah and Vijay would have spent a lot of money to get this dog. You have to pay top dollars to get a top dog out of Germany.

However, I should also point out that most GSD folks in India really have no clue on how costly these dogs actually are. People were made to believe by the handful of "big" breeders/importers that these dogs are exhorbitantly expensive.

Usually word spreads in the GSD world in india that Mr Topdog brought this excellent dog paying an amount of money that would actually fetch him a VA dog!! Some folks know this, but would still not correct it.
In anycase, owners are more famous than the dogs. Ask a regular GSD guy you meet around the showring on which dog won 'dog of the year'? - 9 out of 10, you will hear the owner's name instead of the dog's! Even pedigree is refered to as Mr topdog's dog is sire and Mr Idunnitall's bitch is dam.

I know instances where people pay more money in india for a GSD pup than they would have to pay for a better pup in Germany and get it imported.

however - This does not happen in india alone. Some german brokers take americans also for a ride of their lifetime!!!
vish
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Solo is VERRYYYY RIGHT when he says that these dogs came to India because of the high prices paid by their owners. I wonder why people didn't raise such questions when good dogs go to japan or china because people there are not as negative as US Indians. I personally feel an opportunity has arrived for the GSD breed in india in the form of these dogs & for the info of all SG52 - Solo's son has come in Delhi.
solo
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Peter said: "The Indian people should understand why Quando and Fedor were sold out of Germany"
The answer is simple and true:
The people who bought Quando & Fedor offered enough for them.
Any other suggestion is wrong.
Most GSD breeders of India, and I know many, and I look forward to seeing them next month, know how good both these Males are, and genuinely appreciate having them available at stud to them.
Peter
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It seems like a newer ending story ...

A brand new year is here, another year filled with expectations, resolutions, fears and forecasts. A year that will disapoint many, surprise some and make a few really happy. My sincerest wish is that everyone will be happy, and share a moment of joy, peace and understanding.

The Indian people should understand why Quando and Fedor were sold out of Germany, and they are not all that writing in this forum worth. Please stop it now!!

That is my New Year's wish. I hope you all share it with me.



Big B
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Fedor wins BIS in both the rings last sunday.
We're in the middle of the show season now and things are looking a little better for Abdullah.
Visum
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Thankyou So much for your Kind words....
HOWDEDO
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I saw a video of fedor moving in the seiger show - an absolute beauty. I am sure that he will be an asset to indian dogdom. Visum, I saw some snaps of Augustus taken by a non dogy person and I am so proud to see an Indian dog of this quality.

Indian dog world has always been like this. 2 or 3 persons dominated the scene and used to win by hook or crook. I have no clue on why nobody is able to stop them. Throughout the world, dog shows are fixed - but not at the levels it happens in India.

One major reason is that a lot of judges have very little hands on experience in showing (Some of the GSD speciality judges never showed a GSD) . There are a lot of people who had the experience but not the backing of powers that be to become judges. Some others just chose not to become judges (A good example is Javed Pasha, who I think has more knowledge on dogs than most of our current judges) . Also, apart from Philip,Sudarsan,Partha and Rangarajan - nobody is judging outside India regularly to keep themselves updated.

I hope something can be done to stem this rot before a lot of good people move away from this game.
vish
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Dear Mr.skywalker
I have seen quando & fedor side by side and it's wrong to say quando has a bigger head' although his markings on the face definitely make him glamourous but fedor's head is not lighter even at half the age of quando.
Mr.Raju
I think Fedor has a very strong line and will definitelt produce very good with the females it clicks with. it's not right to say it will not produce as well as quando. Quando definitely produced many good females though males are not visible. There are many many good females in the North now and I am sure you will see a good progeny of Fedor in the next couple of years god willing. I have a female which I plan to linebreed on Ursus batu to him.
Regards
Raju
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Surely guys Lex Luther's daughter was stunning at the Lucknow show on Sunday, I myself bred two litters out of Quando and in one of the rings one pup won a BOS and CC competing against her litter sister who won a RCC. I want to know what can be expected out of Fedor though I heard most of the people expressing a dislike for Fedor in comparison to Quando. We Indians have a very good change today to breed well provided we have good bitches. There is some very good stock in Chennai with Manuben and i sincerely hope that he is able to do something out of it. Please advice is it worthwhile breeding a Fedor pup and what can be expected out of him since I'm quite a novice. Before I finish I've four beautiful pups out of Quando line bred on Jeck Noricum.
skywalker
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hey thats grea news for fedor.but looks unfortunate year for him as its seems its pre decided its not going to be a gsd dog of the year and is dobbermans turn. but any ways nohing can be taken away from this dog.looking forward to using him on my bitch.
i guess in comparision who has a better head i feel quando has and commments .well am no expert but just from what i see pure appreance.
any one like to give their views.?
Big B
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Fedor won 2nd BISs in both the rings in Lukhnow yesterday.May be a late start for him.The dog which won BISs is a deserving winner.A fabulous Dobe bitch,the best I've seen.She's a Lex Luthor daughter and this is the first time any of Lex's progeny has landed in India.I wish her owner all the best.
Visum
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Thankyou Sir.... for your kind words. Agusthas has matured well I will mail you his pictures for your critique....
Big B
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"and hope that Judges in India, do not damage the attraction of importing FABULOUS specimens".....I totally agree with Mr.Solo and I doubt if Abdullah will ever take the trouble and risk of importing such a high-class specimen again.It's simply not worth it.If the results can be predicted much before the shows then it's no fun showing again.
As far as I know DNA tests in India will be functional by the end of next year.So all the best Mr.Visum,like any other GSD fancier I also dream to see good BI dogs being campained in Germany.
solo
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Hello Visum, You are NOT "merely talking to your fellow Indians" as you put it. When you place comments on this site, you are TELLING THE GSD WORLD.
I have looked at your males photo at 4 months old, and he must have improved substantially with maturity, if he "justifiably beat Fedor in a GSD Showring". The PICTURE UPDATES on this site have not operated since the 24th October, so I think it will be sometime before we see your male's adult picture, I look forward to it. In the meantime I send my congratulations on your success with your dog, and hope that Judges in India, do not damage the attraction of importing FABULOUS specimens. These dogs have proven, by your own example, to be SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS to the progress of the breed in India.
Visum
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Well Good Sir, All of us who are claiming wins over Fedor are not denying the Quality of the DOg but merely talking to our fellow Indians..who are blinded by the import TAG!!!
And whats wrong in feeling good over beating such a TOP Dog, with a Dog bred/Raised and trained by Myself...My Dog is Agusthas vom Wolfen-Haus he is in the database (pic at 4 months, latest pic will be up in a weeks time). He is 22 months old compared to 3+ yr old Fedor!
Besides I myself am eagerly waiting to use Fedor on My bitches!!!
So sir, we are just trying get ourselves on the WorldMap too, like all you ppl from outside of Germany have done. We have and always will accept your comments as Sermons to improve our breeding here in India...
Its unfortunate that our country lags behind with rtespect to Tattoing/DNA/SchH etc... otherwise a lot of us are already Eager to enter our BI's at the German Seigershow!!!
solo
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Most of the comments made here about Bred in India dog winning over Fedor at several shows, would be more relevant if the following information was provided.
1) Name of Show, 2) Name of the Judge, 3) Name of the dog(s) that was/were placed over Fedor, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY A 'LINK' TO THE WINNING DOG(S) ON THIS WEB-SITE - WHICH MUST INCLUDE A PICTURE.
I must say that I would really like to see the DOGS that are winning over Fedor, I suspect that a picture of them, WILL NOT BE FORTHCOMING. I also suspect that if they are, I will be even more puzzled at HOW THEY MANAGED TO BE PLACED OVER FEDOR.

David Payne
wildstrobe
wildstrobe
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"It's pre-decided that Abdullah who's winning the Dog of the Year title with his dogs for the last 4 years will not win the title this year".

mmmmm,damn right,it seems they are successfully executing their decesion.We are fortunate enough not to see any VAs imported by NOORI this year,if so ,they'll also have had the same fate.EVEN GOD CANNOT SAVE FEDOR.Chances of making him a seiger is more if they campaign him in austalia,uk or US.
vish
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I was at the noida show yesterday. I can say without hesitation that in the young dogs/bitches very good BII specimen were there. Good improvement was very visible & the largest nos. were quando's progenies.
But also for the first time saw the GSD males final decided in the quickest time RUNNING LESS THAN TWO ROUNDS OF A VERY SMALL RING & THE WINNERS IN THE ORDER OF THEIR ENTERING THE RING.!!!!!!. His handler gave the expression which is there when a batsman is given out before entering the ground.
In the other ring everything entered by partners got thru even if they refuse to run or want to dance in the ring.
Definitely most of the people I know were not there to see this.
Visum
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Hello all! I have news for you again....In Noida a Quando Nordlandzwinger son (Bred in India) has yet again beaten Fedor..... Wake up Indian ppl time has come to pat ourselves on our backs to have bred dogs in our own country upto Worldstandards! Power to Bred in India dogs......
I say all this again still maintaining that Fedor is a Beautiful dogs...but Our BI dogs are good too.......
MATHAUS
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Hi folks,there is little to say. If you read what I wrote you will find only praises on Fedor and just that one line about a fault. It is surprising to see that people have picked that fault. Do we seriously believe that a GSD exists without a fault.I leave that to you.
About the North-South Divide- what I said is there for all to see. I also said a good dog , nobody can stop.
So it is up to you all to attach as much importance to whatever is said.
It is surprising incidentally that we only pick up what is negative and forget all the positive written. With this I retire from this argument
venusy
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Incidentally visited noori yesterday for a stud and saw this magnificent male simply the best in india and read the comments on him in the sieger shau.but perhaps the judges were less intelligible than the self proclaimed herman martins from our south. now that the best dogs has started coming to north india this talk about north south starts. incidentally none of the owners of fedor read this site so no use posting advices to them here also noori does not knows anything much about the knowledge or dogs of ajit mathew till yesterday evening and yes even i or anyone in the north i have talked to in the 15 years of my game has heard about him maybe because of the distance . i guess fedor has become v7 with this hair i don't think it sprang up before the bangalore show i dont think any of us has the stature to comment on the physical shortcomings of this dog it is like showing lamp to the sun but the misfortune of this dog that it came to india where only negative points are extracted and in many cases grapes may be sour also
and also vish big b are well known persons in the game in their areas as you are in the south so here maybe you are a anybody or everybody in the north till people start knowing of your acheivements like they did for venky nazir bejoy ramaswamy hemchandra kala krisna in the gsd world
vish
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Mr. Mathew I don't feel anything against you ,& many of the people you know also know me. As you don't know me so we in the North don't know you, But it is nice to know more about you. The only thing I certainly don't like (my view) isthe North-South divide because every person that I know in the north has very close relations with someone in the south & may be even better than anybody in the North, so they cannot be against the south,never. I also don't want to go any further into this topic because I gave what I felt were my honest views. But I do humbly request you to look at the N number of + points that people like Noorie are providing by getting dogs like Fedor that will have their stamp on the breed in the coming period instead of Disheartening them. And I personally think that in dogs like Fedor the POSITIVES are far higher than the negatives.
Also don't you think that every person is entitled to his seperate view provided it's not indecent or totally biased.
Anyway nice to know more about you Regards.
Big B
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Thanks Mr.Vish for agreeing to my comments.Here I'll like to put one thing that I'm from Kolkata and NOT FROM NORTH and anyways I always appreciate a good dog whether it's from Kashmir or from Kanyakumari.So I strongly believe that since Fedor is the best GSD in the country at the moment(I hope no one will disagree),he should atleast win BOB.
I think this North-South politics is holding us back from being a force in the international dog-game(and this is not only in GSDs but in all breeds).
Visum I once again say that I like your dogs and I firmly believe that you haven't manipulated the shows and it's completely the judges decision and I'm not trying to take away anything from your great wins and I would've been equally proud if Augustus was my dog.
I've seen the movement of Fedor in the video of last year's Sieger shows and he's probably the finest moving dog to have landed here.If Mr.Singh and Abdullah read this comment I'll like to suggest 1 small thing:To give exercise to the dog in the morning of the show and also to give him 15 mins exercise just before entering the ring.This should help the dog to settle down once he's in the ring and he'll also behave properly.A dog like Fedor will never perform well in our small rings until and unless he comes inside the ring a bit exhausted.
MATHAUS
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Vish,I do not know who you are , so pls let me know. This is Ajit Mathew amd my email address is mathewajit@hotmail.com
So if you have anything to say lets talk.
I have been in the GSD game long enough and anybody will tell you that. I have two imports- one is the son of Timo Berrekasten and the other is the son of Rasko D'Ulmental(SG5)and Yoyo Batu,a Ursus Batu daughter.I also have a bitch which is judged the Bred In India Vice Siegerin in the Sieger show year before last. I have been the Secretary of the GSD Club of India secunderabad Chapter for the last four years and have run 5 shows. Starting with Nawab Nazeer, Vishwas, Azim, Vijay Singh, Abdullah, Sanjay desai, Mrs Kalakrishna etc etc all know me and some of them may even vouch for my knowledge.
But I am still picking pebbles on the sea shore and have a lot to learn. I do not want to pick up arguments with anybody and I as a policy I do not discuss faults of dogs with anybody and everybody. But be sure that if there is a fault I have discussed the same with the owners and only on their concurrence am I clear of what is what.So thats that and you are free to feel what you feel.
vish
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Mr. mathaus though I shud not write under Fedor but will like to tell you that there are very many good BII than Barrel in the North. She is not one of the best. Rising star kennels will definitely take Its Quando progenies there. But these are really many good specimens which will not go that far mainly from Quando,Zender & Nickos & a few new imports. Will like to tell you that a 15-16 months Zender noort daughter has beaten many imported femalesand many very good daughters of Quando & won both CC'S in DOON show.
vish
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You are putting what everyone else has said (except big B) by just changing words. By the way this is a highly improper statement that North always blames the south or anything I don't understand the logic or the locus standi in making such nasty statement. But we don't even know your real identity . NEVER HEARDIN THE gsd GAME? Maybe we will learn some of the shortcomings of V7 once we know who you are what your acheivements in GSD field are. Poor abdullah Noorie.He will have to learn a lot of things from unknown persons after winning dog of the year 4 times.
There are people with all types of views in all regions of India & Big B does not belong to North from what he has claimed so far. And by the way I have two of my 3 dogs from the South From Vinmins & wolfenhaus kennels & I am very happy with them & YES i HAVE GREAT RELATIONS WITH THE OWNERS OF THESE KENNELS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. Yes to the extent the KCI is located in the south to that extent same people may feel that south has the advantage. But each person has his own Views & thoughts. So don't create this divide - we are all part of the Indian GSD game.
MATHAUS
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Check out these dogs in the Sieger show in Pune if they are there:
1.Augustus Wolfen haus,
2.Barrel of Aeyvee
3.Fiza of Viroramas
4.Amos of Mathaus
5.Connie of Mathaus
6.Vijay Singh has another excellant bitch.
7.A bitch bred from Quartz into Black Affairs of Blitzhaus

Watch what this SV judge grades these dogs.They may not be Sieger or Siegerin but definite to get SG or V rating depending on the age. If we could do bite work then we could have our own VAs.
This judge is Schroder(excuse the sp?) and is very good- judges the Females in the BundeSieger show.

Can you all out there add to this list of BI dogs and bitches. Germany with 40,000 pups every year produces 10 VA, 100 V. Our ratio is better in India. Visum I agree with you our BI dogs are really very good - but alas the Indian weakness for what the GORA says. Gora says a lot of right things but everything he throws into India may not be right.No dog or pun intended.
MATHAUS
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Listen folks for the record lets get a few things straight.
1. Visum are you there? Yes he is a good friend and lets not rob him of his glory.Augustus was skin and bones a few months ago. Its great of Visum to get him to this shape. And folks, handler or no handler, Augustus deserved to win in Bangalore- I say without hesitation on that day seeing things in the ring Augustus ( I have a video tape)was the better dog.
2. But having said that how does one rate Fedor- he's great and today the best mover in India- all he needs is a great handler for a great dog.Believe me I saw him in Hyderabad and I have yet to see a dog move like that. You cannot expect this dog to move in all breed show rings- watch him in the Sieger show in Pune. What a dog and in what condition- all of us just need to get our dogs to that condition. Muscle rippling, great coat, he is my type of dog- I dont know whether I can do ever what Belgaur( Fedor's breeder)has done as far as condition is concerned.
3. But every dog has his fault and we need to be careful that he doesn't throw that fault with your bitch.Thats what I suppose breeding is all about. Pls dont ask me what the fault is- decipher yourself.
4. That tuft of hair on Fedor's back near the tail should be trimmed. Abdullah/Vijay are you hearing- this way it shows an early tail setting which is not true.
5.North always blames South. Criticism when positive is always healthy.BUT NOBODY CAN STOP A GOOD DOG and NOBODY means EVERBODY -and Fedor is not just good!! You also need a fat purse for the dog of the year.
vish
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Hi Big B & Visum - I will like to share something with you
First Big B- You have rightly said that a vast majority believes that Fedor will not be allowed to become dog of the year this year. But still Out of all the dogs Visum with Agusthas has beaten it of all the others & he is not one of the persons who is so powerful in the KCI that he may have decided it outside the ring. From the persons who have seen the show it is very evident Fedor did not perform that day & didn't get along with the handler. & even the doberman of Mr.Sudershan was beaten in the class so you cannot say that Only Noorie was being biased against.Please correct me if any of my statement is wrong.
Mr.Visum - No doubt you have performed a feat that has your spirits soaring but What big B is saying is believed by everybody in the North that Fedor won't be allowed to be made Dog of the year this year even before the Bangalore show so even if he does not knows what happened at that show he is echoing a belief that has spread far & wide.
vish
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Mr.skywalker I think you are getting confused between vish & visum, & have responded to what I have written as vishum joining the two. Now most of the people in the dog game know that Fedor becoming dog of the year this year is very IMPROBABLE. I don't know why you think otherwise but you may be having some good reason or you may be new to the game. This has even been echoed by Big B which is today believed by a vast majority. Regards
skywalker
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hey vishum i dont mean any war in the wrong sense just a freindly way.
everyone here is for sharing one of their passions of life dogs and gsd.
well strange to know u feel fedor wont make it dog of the year.
well i guess i will try use fedor on my bitches guess the first litter had to be from a fantastic dog.well i agree with quando being the most used dog i guess he is little to over used .
Visum
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Excuses, Excuses...:(
Big B
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Mr.Visum,first I'll like to congratulate you but at the same time let's face the fact...Fedor is not losing because the other dog is better..he's losing because there're lots of things going on outside the ring.It's pre-decided that Abdullah who's winning the Dog of the Year title with his dogs for the last 4 years will not win the title this year.I agree that we've improved a lot as far as breeding goes in the last few years and with the importation of dogs like Fedor,Quando,Quarz,Zender and others we will definitely go a long way.
Mr.Vish the info about the Pakis having better tanks in '71 was great and true.It's absolutely correct that a fantastic machine can be ruined in the hands of ignorant people...it happens with dogs too.. a brilliant dog can be ruined by a poor handler.
Mr.Visum I once again say that I like your dogs and don't want to take away anything from their wins but........
vish
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Mr. skywalker- there is no question of a war with Visum. he is a very good friend of mine with whom I regularly interact outside this forum from a long time & exchange our views regularly. I am only giving what I think to him. But I tell you I very sincerely believe that Fedor will not become Dog of the year this time But still I am eager to use him on more than one of my females asap.
Yes Mr.Visum - there is no doubt that many many BII are better than many many imports - But if you look at it this way they have been the products again og good imports that came into the country in the very recent past & that's why this improvement in quality. AGAIN TELL ME HONESTLY OF THE MANY DOGS THAT HAVE BEATEN FEDOR OR MAY BEAT HIM IN THE COMING MONTHS I KNOW THAT I OR EVEN YOU WILL PREFER TO USE HIM AT THE FIRST GOOD OPPORTUNITY NOT EVEN COMPARING HIM TO ANY OTHER DOG EXCEPT SAY QUANDO. Whether he wins or loses He will be the most used dog in the coming time for everone who could afford him & definitely GIVE a great deal to the breed now that many people are paying that kind of stud fees.
Please correct me if you both don't agree with what I am saying Regards
Visum
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Fedor is a Fantastic Dog..No Doubt..Im waiting to use him....and doubt if I'll sell even a single puppy from him!!! BUT its time we accept that we in India are breeding very good dogs,in India..specially with So many top dogs comming into the country....thnx to the big importers who have contributed so much to our stock improving So much! Plz guys stop putting BI dogs down accept it.....how many times should our poor BI prove themselves!!??? not only my dogs but many dogs bred and owned by many ppl all over have been upsetting top imported dogs....
skywalker
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hey vish thanks for those coments. but i am much more impressed about what u said to mr. vishum its interesting to see its like a war here .kinda funny but keeps the sprit high in the sport.
take care .
congrats vishum on the victory..... but its the early rounds guess the final knockout blow will be if fedor does not make dog of the year ...then we can say india really has some competition,,
what say ?
vish
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Yes Mr.Visum
Definitely you have acheived a milestone by beating Fedor undoubtedly but still that dog remains the most appealing & top rated dog to ever come to India which might not get bettered by anybody in the near future & definitely with a superb line & producing potential. But I understand that a ill equipped handler/poor handling + lack of proper training for the small size of the rings here were also responsible for THIS SHOCK.
REMEMBER PAKIS HAD BETTER TANKS THAN INDIA IN THE 1971 WAR BUT THEY HAD NO TRAINED PERSONS TO OPERATE THEM WHICH LED TO INDIA.S VICTORY. Regards
vish
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Mr.skywalker
It is not necessary that a champion female will produce better than a non-champ female.If you think that a particular female can produce good with Fedor go ahead. A good quando female can definitely produce good with Fedor I think that any good animal will definitely give something good in progenies.
Whenever you feel you can further write to me at
vinod5253@rediffmail.com

Regards
Visum
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Hey guys.... Iv seen Fedor a Couple of times now.....handled him... absolute TOP quality, Will be using him soon...
But Id like to address this coments of mine to My various sceptics..BigB sir..remember you said it was a fulke with Beauvalet beating Quando???? Well I think Im in that habit now, Today in the Bangalore Canine Club show....My home bred Agusthas vom Wolfen-Haus has beat Fedor Stainway park not in one but both rings in class...biggest Fluke of My Life!!!???....thankyou.
Mathaus good going...I intend to improve My stock thats why I use the best available males where ever they are...God willing My next litter will be out of Fedor StainwayPark. Thankyou Abdullah, Vijay and Harchand for givng us this oppurtunity in India to see/use/improve our stock with Such High Breed worth Dogs..thankyou.
skywalker
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thanks vish,for that info. well i guess using fedor on a non-champ bitch is it worth it am new at this game what would do u sugest in this matter, just a freindly advice.well i was thinking of getting a bitch from quando line and then try it with fedor woould be hell of an experiment i suppose but one is never sure how it all will turn out?
what say
vish
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Yes MR.Skywalker what you are saying is right the moolah counts a lot and who is the owner of the dog too counts a lot.
To the best of my knowledge the current stud fee rate of fedor is 35k but still you can confirm it from the owner noorie abdullah when you intend to use it.
skywalker
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Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:42 am
hi to all the gsd fans. once again.i like what mathaus has said but i guess in india its more of a show bizz to flaunt ur dog its a status symbol and who has the mullah! can do that better ,well would like to put a question if any one has the idea how much would be fedors stud fees ?
He is a good dog and not always these dogs come to our country its an opportunity for all to take the gsd game to another level.
WHAT SAY PEOPLE
Dyanesh
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Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:08 am
Well put Mathaus!!! I think there should be something of a test for working ability. We should lay more emphasis on Sch if possible and HD-Zuchwert's etc. The breed will improve if this is done, not that the breed now is bad. We can see a vast improvement i.e., from good to the best.
MATHAUS
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Fedor is a great Dog and I feel he will be better than Quando. Having said that it is the judge on that day that decides which is the best dog. While I may agree or disagree with the judge, he puts his stamp in the show and we just cannot argue with him.Whatever the reason.
Having said this instead of fighting over which dog beat Quando and which did not, it is important to understand that each dog has its pluses. In India why do we only see faults? It would be better to see the good things in a dog and from that improve the breed.That is more important to all of us if we want to get our GSDs togather. V7 means a rank but then pls remember that none of our dogs took part- dont laugh. V7 means a price and a rank- beyond that its for each individual to analyse. Do we strictly believe that there is none more beautiful than Aishwarya Rai in India, just because she was crowned.
To conclude can we focus on improving the breed rather than saying my dog is better or his is worse. If the GSD game is to grow we need to work togather. Can we bring Sch,tattoo/chips,HD, DNA. Thats what we should discuss- then the Indian V7 will have a place in your thinking too.....
vish
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I am sorry I was wrong he actually won a 2nd BIS & a 6TH bis RESPECTIVELY .
vish
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Mr. Skywalker
he has laready won two BIS in his very first outing in the south. So he may very well become Dog of the year that's very much possible. It will be better if you talk to the owner Abdullah noorie to know the correct price for the stud because he is the best person to tell it otherwise you will know different quotes from different people.
skywalker
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Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:42 am
hey people read all the comments very inerested in seeing the dog in the ring doing what he does best. i have seen quando he was a good dog.well could anyone tell me how much would this dog charge for mating looking at quando charged 30k for one mating,any guesses please do let me know.well am sure like quando this dog will walk with dog of the year or does someone think otherwise,
take care
Kizz
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Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2003 03:10 pm
None of the web addresses for this kennel come up. I don't think that they have an updated web page.
Just to note, that as of the NASS it is the first time in probable 7 to 10 years that Wilhendorf was not in the top United States Sieger Show placements. Wonder if this is any indication of the Kennel's breeding stragedy?
manudibango
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Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 08:13 am
Does anyone know the web address of this Kennels(John M.Henkel's)None of the links on the web work.I'd really apprecite it.
wizard
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 09:45 pm
hello
can any one plz let me know the show time table for december , i know that theres a show in noida, and the one in calcutta (but dont know the adte for this show either) and i do not have access to the Gazette at the moment.

Thanks
vish
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Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
Mr.Wizard
Under the new rules all non champion dogs will compete in a seperate class(seperate from the champion class) for the cc's. so once fedor becomes champion he will not obstruct other dogs from taking cc'c although for the lineup he will be very much there. I hope you got my point.
wizard
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 09:45 pm
hello vish ,

well its quite true for some people its hard to get a dog of that stature ...
what does the rule about non ch dogs not fighting with ch dogs ,, u said that here there would be a diff betwen quando and fedor , pls explain how ?
do u mean that fedor will have to first become a ch here in India(even though he's a 'V' rated) to fight in the same cateogary as quando ?
Thanks !
Visum
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Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
Well Fluke or not it was done and later repeated by many many others.....The important thing to understand here is any competetion depends on the condition and mind set of the competitor on that given day at that given moment.....So maybe our dogs that have been placed over TOP dogs are not as good but Why take credit away from any Winner....Even Sachin gets out for 0 sometimes does that mean it was a fluke for the Bowler????????
Quality of Dogs in India has Improved Tremendously, Although Fedor and other TOP dogs comming in are Super...Trust me there will be many Happy moments for Ordinary exibitors.....otherwise its better none of us even dare get into the ring with these Top Dog!!!!!!!!!
Big B
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Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
First,I want to congratulate the new owner of Fedor who's a good friend of mine and I think it's our privilege to see a V7 in India.Visum I like your dog Ch.Vinmin's Beauvalet but I hope you'll agree that the win over Quando was a big fluke.He also lost to Atensberg Pinto and before he lost to your dog he was 7th in the open class out of 8 dogs in Kolkata.This only proves that those judges were all pefect i....s,it has nothing to do with the quality of those dogs who won over Quando.It's always good to aim high but we should also understand our position.This is the golden chance for all the breeders to make good use of Fedor who I hope will stamp on his progeny.I agree with Mr.Vish that the owner of Fedor hasn't stopped us from getting a higher graded dog.The only problem is............you know what.
vish
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Yes Mr Wizard
vish is me i.e. Vinod sharma from Delhi
I think that you are not aware of the new rules under which non champion dogs will not fight with champion dogs for the cc.so there will be a difference between quando & fedor. But you have overloked the opportunity that dogs like Fedor & Quando will provide to improve us by giving this superb new lines for the breed & a new excitement in the ring as well. But the buyer of fedor is not stopping others from getting better stuff than his, only thing is it's near impossible for most of us to buy a dog of that value.
wizard
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 09:45 pm
Sorry about the name confusion mate, yeah im sure good use of this guy will be made and of course we are all here to fight (positively) and win, Good luck to you!

What i meant was that will Fedor have competiton or is it gonna be the same story as that of Quando ? Anyways lets c!
Visum
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Dear Mr.wizard vish is not Vishwas..... I go by Visum on this site.... vish is somebody elses alias...
Anyways as per your question about competetion.....I look at it this way, This dog is V7 in Germany...Good for him! But for us it is an opportunity to aim high and try beat this dog however impossible it may seem..... I am proud to say that in similar competion, My dog Ch.vinmins Beauvalet is the First dog in INDIA to beat V10Quando Nordlandzwinger....May be a Fluke but an achivement all the same....So now its Fedor Stein-Way park, Let us work hard towards breeding/if we have already bred towards conditioning and training our BI Dogs to take on Such Intense WORLD's TOPmost Competion.... That's what Sports is all about is'nt it? Im eagerly looking Foward to No.1 Use this dog on my bitches No2. compete with My BI dog against this FANTASTIC Dog.....All the BEST to ALL INDIANS with good dogs......
wizard
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 09:45 pm
hi ,
ya vishwas we v got the news that hes here , i think he landed on friday or saturday.
Undoubtedly hes a very beautiful dog! and will sure be a stunner in the ring*

Will definitey also improve the standard's also..... with all due respect to everyone,
but what do u think about it from the competition point of view?? i mean is not unfair ?

vish
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Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:45 am
Dear friends
Fedor is now in India Newdelhi to be more precise
Zain ali
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Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 06:48 pm
a beautiful dog...but a littleeeeeee strechted...... better pigmentations then his father wasko von aducht..........i hope he will be on a much better position on the next show......but a beautiful dog.....his breeding is also excellent i have a pup from him in pakistan which i am hopping will come in first 15 in junior class in german's upcommin sieger show


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