To be clear, thiis dog is a registered Shiloh NOT a registered German Shepherd Dog. Any designations such as ROM and CV CH are in connection with Shilohs and NOT GSDs.

The saga continues...

Further research reveals that the Baker dogs WERE registered with the AKC as German Shepherds, as the Big Grey Dog story posted below indicates. I am looking up registry numbers, and will post each dog's info as I find the numbers, with a note about the probable true parentage of the dogs.

Here is Mia's pedigree (Mia Martini Rall). As you will see, she is registered as a GSD with the AKC.

I'm sure she's not the only GSD in the AKC registry with a suspect parentage! You could get away with quite a lot before DNA testing became common.

http://shilohpedigrees.tripod.com/fatzo.htm

More information on Smokey's ancestors:

0nce upon a time there was a man (Don Baker)that loved very big boned Shepherds. He did not like the fact that they were getting smaller, and heard that there was a litter of giants born to a sheep rancher. He went there and saw a "honey" colored female pup about 5 months old that was over 70 lbs. She was "woolly" and very broad, with huge oval bone. The rancher showed him her white mother that was not much bigger then her daughter. Then he looked at her sire, and wondered how she could be so huge. It was thought that she was a "throw back" to the big long coated Flock Guardian dogs in her ancestry. Before this man left the ranch he spotted a gigantic gray dog with floppy ears. When he asked about him, he was told that this was the biggest male born to an imported herding bitch that was shipped in bred. The dog stood about 34 (or more) inches and had to be well over 160-180 lbs. He was very "aloof" and good pictures were not taken. Also due to his long (dirty) coat he did not look very good on the one picture that my mom saw. The honey colored female pup was named Mia, and taken back to the man’s kennel, bred to his big white male, and she produced Shepherds that were very heavy boned and had long WOOLLY hair.

The GSD breeders went on a frenzy spreading stories that his dogs were not "pure' GSD's, even though the AKC papers said so, because they looked more like a Pyr then a Shepherd. They accused him of many weird things, but the truth is simple. Even though a GSD was listed as Mia's sire, even her owner figured out that somehow her mom made a visit to that big gray dog. Mia was bred several times, as were her daughters, and a very large son. Her owner tried to form a new strain of Shepherd & call them "Texas Woolly's" but the idea never made it. He moved back east and continued to inbreed on his lines, with only one outcross (and that is another story) before a friend of his tried crossing his lines to the Shiloh. This cross both to Smokey & Shane seemed to work very well, since the pups gained more of the Shepherd "look" back to compliment his lines, and the Shilohs gained more bone.

This dog is not a GSD. It is a Shiloh Shepherd, as it has several of the Baker dogs on its dam's side (Baker's Snow, Super Sweet Sabrina Selah.) This strain of dog, while it had a fair percentage of GSD blood, was called 'Texas Woolies'. That is why the rest of the information on the dam's side is missing.

Go here for the full pedigree: http://shilohpedigrees.tripod.com/shep.htm

All the dogs in the pedigree posted here are full GSD's except for Shiloh's Wolfin' Sasquatch and Morris Good Morning Mona. All of the early Shilohs were AKC registered GSD's, until the introduction of new blood, beginning in the 1980's, with Don Baker's dogs, and the MAW dogs (GSD/Malamute crosses).

I have asked Oli to remove the above named dogs.