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VA4 Ando vom Altenberger Land 


SCHH3
 Kkl 1 

Sire Born: 11. December 1999

VA4 Ando vom Altenberger Land

SZ  2070626
Hip: SV: HD a-normal (a1) - Elbows: Not known
DNA: Gelagert
Tattoo: F-B 8123

Breed report

Groß, kräftig, typvoll, korrektes Höhen-und Längenverhältnis, Vorne-und Hinten sehr gut gewinkelt, sehr harmonische Ober-und Unterlinie, normale Brust, korrekte Front, geradetretend werden bei gutem Nachschub und freiem Vortritt raumschaffende Gänge gezeigt. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.

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Pedigree

SCHH3

V17 Cary vom Fiemereck SCHH3 male

1995
SZ 1928363
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
V17 Cary vom Fiemereck

Groß, kraft- und gehaltvoll, sehr gutes Verhältnis, sehr schöner Typ. kräftiger und schöner Kopf, sehr gut gewinkelt Vorhand, korekte Front, ausgeprägte Brustverhältnisse, sehr schöne Oberlinie mit ausgeprägtem Widerrist, festem Rücken, sehr gute Länge und Lage der Kruppe. Korrekte Unterlinie, sehr gut gewinkelte Hinterhand. Gerade, kraftvolle und geräumige Gänge. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.

SCHH3, FH

V32 Vitus vom Haus-Farrenkopf SCHH3, FH male

1992
SZ 1874990
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
V32 Vitus vom Haus-Farrenkopf

SCHH3, FH, BHP1

VA1 Visum von Arminius SCHH3, FH, BHP1 male

1990
SZ 1789549
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
VA1 Visum von Arminius

SCHH2

V17 Yanka aus Agrigento SCHH2 female

1988
SZ 1722777
HD-SV: HD a-noch zugelassen (a3)
Dam
SCHH3

V Nala vom Fiemereck SCHH3 female

1991
SZ 1814161
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
V Nala vom Fiemereck

SCHH3

VA1(CA) Rudi van Noort SCHH3 male

1988
SZ 1729940
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
VA1(CA) Rudi van Noort

SCHH3

VA1(USA) V16 Dasta vom Fiemereck SCHH3 female

1988
SZ 1722819
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
VA1(USA) V16 Dasta vom Fiemereck

SCHH1,IPO1

V Evita van de Zomerdijkslanden SCHH1,IPO1 female

1996
NHSB 2105238 (SZ 2070625)
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
V Evita van de Zomerdijkslanden

Große, kräftige, gut gebaute Hündin mit normaler Widerrstehöher, guter Ausdruck und kräftiger Kopf. Gute Ober- und Unterlinie, gut liegende Kruppe in der richtigen Länge. Oberarm Könnte länger sein und schräger liegen, normale Brustverhältnsse, gut Front. Sehr guter Gang mit gutem Nachschub hinten und freiem Vortritt. Mut, Arbeitafreude und Belastbarkeit ausgeprägt, läßt. WA 2002: Wird in sehr guter Verfassung vorgeführt. Sicheres Wesen.

SCHH3

V2 Yassko von der Roten Matter SCHH3 male

1993
SZ 1869422
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V2 Yassko von der Roten Matter

SCHH3, FH

VA1 Jeck vom Noricum SCHH3, FH male

1987
SZ 1705812
HD-SV: HD a-noch zugelassen (a3)
Sire
VA1 Jeck vom Noricum

SCHH1, HGH

V4 Ostra vom Kirschental SCHH1, HGH female

1986
SZ 1677886
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
SCHH1

V Daira van de Frits Hoeve SCHH1 female

1992
SZ 1810081
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Dam
SCHH3

V5 VA1(JPN) Diego du Village le Plus Long d'Alsace SCHH3 male

1988
SZ 1799345
HD-SV: HD a-Ausland (a6)
Sire
V5 VA1(JPN) Diego du Village le Plus Long d'Alsace

SCHH1

V Tjin van de Frits Hoeve SCHH1 female

1988
SZ 1614095
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam


User comments



VA13
Comments: 15
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 03:15 am
I LOVE YOU ANDO! You are the BEST, such a SUPER STUD adding so much needed character to the breed and also such BEAUTY and Nobility, I will LOVE and REMEMBER YOU and your breeder FOREVER, it is because of you both that I can breed such nice dogs of my own.
My Ando son and the best dog I have ever owned/bred Jando is getting up there in age and so this reminds me that his sire Ando is also getting older, and this brings me tears. I will miss them both VERY much and I will always be thankful and honored to know such incredible German Shepherd dogs.

Thank you again Norbert and I LOVE YOU ANDO!!


Ando's biggest Fan in America, Victoria
G diego
Comments: 7
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 06:56 am
I also have a beautiful 9 month old Ando son ,which has an excellent temperament ,pigment , and has good bite work.
tiny
Comments: 53
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:13 am
infact ando is a great dog who deserve va title he produced well good males n females too,i think the dog prove his title with his progeny there r so many va dogs who gave nothing special to breed but ando prove his self by his offsprings that s means ando was a real va dog
RedLuna
Comments: 3
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 06:42 pm
The Ando son SONY makes SG 2 in the JKLR BSZS 2005!!!!
He is a wonderful young male with a great future.

qurashy
Comments: 104
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2003 05:15 am
can u send me your address on qurashy@gmail.com
Anu
Comments: 170
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 01:21 pm
The Best Ando son was here in India!

SG11 BSZS 2003 Rocky vom haus tepferd.

He was recently sold to Videx kennels in UK and is now in Holland for Stud services!

He's an excellent producer of his Type.

He is very much like Ando and he's got that same extra-long lower thigh bone! which results in over-angulation!

But rocky was one of the top-winning dogs for this year.
qurashy
Comments: 104
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2003 05:15 am
do you had Progeny can you send me on qurashy@hotmail.com
ERH
Comments: 33
Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:22 pm
Been reading trough older messages here and came over these about Ando Altenberger Land.

Hats off for a great achivment with your superb male Mr. Schleuter. And as others post - he is surtenly an alternativ for the likes of Ursus carrying sons, grandsons and grand-grandsons. And I have no reason to not believe that he was ill on the day at Hzs 2004.

But one has to be aware the problems with Ando as well. When someone stating that "everything is not good", that does not meen the dog is no good. What disdurb me most with Ando is his overangulated rear. And when he got tired (out of illness perhaps) his rear legs were all over the place. Overangulation is, as I see it, a problem regarding healt and practical movement for the GSD. This does not meen that I am against the use of Ando in the breed. Given the right females I expect him to do great things for our common breed. But to much angulation ain't any better than to little. Overangulation reduces rear firmness.

Anyway - Best of luck with Ando in the years to come.
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
Totally agree with Mr.Jochen.It's a stupidity to criticize a top dog without knowing the facts.
Jochen
Comments: 26
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 08:44 am
Because of some not so nice comments about Ando ,I put this on that site. Found it on another website, think that¿s from a lot of interest and maybe it helps to stop the bad talking about a fantastic VA-MALE!!!!!!!!!!

A MESSAGE FROM NORBERT SCHLEUTER - HIS BREEDER and OWNER


We came back from the Siegershow with one laughing and one crying eye.

We are so surprised about the very good results of Ando's progeny in the Gebrauchshundclasses. Aebby V6, Ian V 19, Boy V39. what a great success.

Unfortunately Ando was ill and everybody who knows his normal presentation in the ring saw that on Sunday. We arrived on Thursday at the campgrounds in Karlsruhe and on Friday morning we got a shock when we took Ando out of the car. All over his body he had open wounds. His feets have been sore and he doesn`t want to walk. So we visited the veterinarian and he told us that this problem can always be found when the dogs are lying at the grass on that campground.

Grass mites all over his body. He got medicine and a special shampoo, but it doesn’t help that well. The Bite-work was good as always, but on Saturday in the progeny group we discussed if it would be a good idea to show him in such a bad condition on Sunday. So we gave him a bath again and all hope that it would be better on Sunday. Unfortunately we were asked to make music on Saturday evening at the official welcome evening of the SV which took us important time to care for Ando.

So we showed him and hoped that he will do as perfect as he always does in the ring, but he doesn’t. So we are very happy that he could hold the VA–title and know we all hope that he would feel better within the next days.

Because of the bad voices all over the world, and especially here in Germany, we felt as we have to write down the complete story about Ando's Sieger show 2004.

Those people that blaspheme about Ando's presentation should better go out and care for their own dogs. Maybe you can get a VA dog once. But for such a success you must work your dogs and don’t spent your time with talking about others…..

Norbert Schleuter


Hal
Comments: 34
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:43 pm
Congratulations to Mr. Schleuter and the Altenberger-land Kennel. Ando is a fantastic male and very deserving of his VA title.
We all should wish we could breed such a dog. We know his record and his placings and so did the judge so VA it is.
Congratulations!!!!!!
GSD-Germany
Comments: 3
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 03:56 pm
I agree with Sniper. Ando¿s Show-Resentation was this year not very good. Ando¿s Progeny was normal. It was not the best, which we wish us for a VA-Dog. But other VA-Dog¿s-Progeny was also not so good.

Every people can write what he mean. And I and I think Sniper and other people also, write here only their meaning about a Dog.

Every Meaning is sometimes negative about a Dog.

I hope you unterstand this Mr.Schleuter.

Regards
Martin from Germany
Sniper
Comments: 115
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 09:19 pm
I mean that he moved bad in Karlsruhe. I saw Ando on other Shows, there he moved very very good. But in Karlsruhe he was not so good. So he lost his places. I think you know also that he moved not so good as on other shows before or last Year in Ulm where he ran very very good!
Sniper
Comments: 115
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 09:19 pm
I mean that i moved bad in Karlsruhe. I saw Ando on other Shows, there he moved very very good. But in Karlsruhe he was not so good. So he lost his places. I think you know also that he moved not so good as on other shows before or last Year in Ulm where he ran very very good!
Masha
Masha
Comments: 23
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 01:51 pm
Well done, Altenberger Land! I absolutely agree with you. It is very easy to criticize other people or their dogs, not even trying to achieve a similar level of success, which can be done only through hard effort and nerve and through sharing one's heart and soul with these nice creatures - dogs.
Ando is a great dog and so is his progeny. I have a male puppy (he's 11 months now) by Ando and Kenya Ochsentor and he is a smashing personality, very good looks, very smart and full of drive.
Do not be upset because of some silly comments here or where. People can get envious, unfortunately. Not every one can breed or own a dog that will grow to become a VA.
Cheers!
Andrew
Comments: 43
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2003 06:50 am
Ando is one of the, if not “THE BEST” alternate lines to Ursus, and has proven that consistently over the past couple of years.
People should be paying attention to his NUMEROUS positive contributions to the breed.
HIPS being just one of the most important!
The Ursus line is magnificent but the hip production is AVERAGE at best.
People should be using this dog more often while they can.

CONGRADULTIONS ALTENBERGER LAND!!

Altenberger Land
Comments: 26
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:37 pm
Hello Sniper! Or better said björn.
What does that mean? He doesn't deserve his VA Title? Which aspects do you think should be given to deserve an VA title?
The whole progeny group got "a" normal. Shouldn`t health aspects be took into consideration? Or the fact that he had seven dogs in the open class. Can you tell me another dog who had that in his second progeny group. The report of Mr Orschler for the progeny group was without any negative points, so why didn't he deserve VA?
He was about 35 times V 1 during the last two years!Isn't that wonderful that a dog can be shown nearly every weekend? can you tell me another VA dog that was or is shown that often?
We know that his presentation was not as good as normal. He is ill. The whole explanation can be found on our hp.
www.Altenberger-Land.de
But he is still a dog that deserved his VA!
By the way the presentation of different other dogs wasn't that good either.
So one question to you Sniper? Did you have a dog in the best ring? You must be a professional if you can judge each dog. I was gone through the lists but I didn'T find a dog who is owned by you. Please don't spend your time with comments like that. Go out, work your dogs. Maybe,If you work as hard as we did, you will get a VA dog too. But during that time you wouldn't be able to sit down at the computer and write these things. Because a VA dog and his progeny group will cost each minute you have.
Sniper
Comments: 115
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 09:19 pm
very bad presentation in Karlsruhe. His Progeny was not good to became a V-Auslese-Title.
kernschmelze
Comments: 3
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 07:42 am
Hi Kennyr,
I have also a litter after Ando. Can I see your pup too ?
Lathan
Comments: 4
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 07:57 pm
Hi Kennyr,
WOW !!!
That is one real nice Pups. I must say he looks great.
P.S nice Head
Lathan
Comments: 4
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 07:57 pm
Hi Kennyr

How is the Pups drive?
Is he or she picture on the database?
I would love to see the Puppy picture.
KENNYR
Comments: 1
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 05:47 am
I recently bought a Ando son (pup) and I have to say it's the most wonderful pup I,ve ever had.And he is a georgeous pup!
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
I like longhair a lot
Lathan
Comments: 4
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 07:57 pm
Ando he VA4 O.k
I think he is great dog, this dog will be VA1 soon time will tell.
We will be talking about Ando to hower Kid.

Go Go ando Go !


Terry
Comments: 32
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 07:45 am
Sorry but what is the Long Hair thing with Ando?? Is he so lose going away??? Lets be real who has seen the dog???
francky1
Comments: 10
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:07 pm
I¿m worry about his producing - most of the dogs are owned by Mr. Schleuter. All the other dogs from Ando are badly placed on shows. Also why he must run around with longhair and has no other top male from Ando.
Of course this longhair got several times sg1 but no one talked about all the judges who did not accept this male and don¿t want to give him even an sg!
Gem
Comments: 2
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 04:56 am
thousands have seen this dog? most fanciers only see color, and a blk head. its clear hes a good produceing male , his progeny are like him, rounding in the rear, this makes them all look bunched up. too many have only seen this style of shepherd, now its looked at as correct by too many. wouldn't it be better to see Larus this prepotent. the younger interest could see what a shepherd should look like.
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
Thousands have seen this dog over recent months and years, I have seen him 3 times this year, The facts are simple
THIS DOG IS NOT COW-HOCKED
Moe
Comments: 7
Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2004 09:08 pm
Lenny, have you personally seen this dog or are you making this statement based on hearsay?
Lenny
Comments: 13
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:56 pm
Check out this dog going away. Severely cowhocked.
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
Thank you Sean and Hal; I hope I'll be able to take Hal's advice and get to Germany and see these wonderful dogs for myself - the real thing, with no photos and comments needed.
Sean
Comments: 35
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 10:44 am
Hal is correct. I saw this dog at Ulm, I also took photos of him.
His color is excellent and his topline is the same as the photo.
I personally would like to see less rear angulation, but with a HD-ZW in the 60`s and not all of his offsprings has this pronounced angulation and he did good bite work, this is a dog I would use.
The breeder Mr Schleuter seems to have a special touch in caring for his dogs, they are in exceptional condition.
Hal
Comments: 34
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:43 pm
I saw this dog in Germany up close and is he beautiful. Beautiful color and very well constructed. Pigment and color this dog has and his puppies also get this from him. Congratulations to the Breeder and owner of this fantastic male. He deserved the VA in 2003. He also has a ZW# 67 not bad when many are in the 90's and up.
To the people that are all worked up about the photos of Ando ---- well he is even more beautiful when you see him.
Perhaps you should go to the Sieger show and see for yourself what these dogs are all about.
Hal
Comments: 34
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:43 pm
I saw this dog in Germany up close and is he beautiful. Beautiful color and very well constructed. Pigment and color this dog has and his puppies also get this from him. Congratulations to the Breeder and owner of this fantastic male. He deserved the VA in 2003. He also has a ZW# 67 not bad when many are in the 90's and up.
To the people that are all worked up about the photos of Ando ---- well he is even more beautiful when you see him.
Perhaps you should go to the Sieger show and see for yourself what these dogs are all about.
bilko
bilko
Comments: 120
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 07:50 pm
I beg to differ that it is only the colour that is touch up,backlines are just not that good.I have a very good eye for detail.I have no more to say on the matter.
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
"it is necessary to say something..." it has already been said once too many times! let it go! the dog looks great anyway, and from what I could tell, the only "touched" thing in the Altenberger Land pictures is the colour.
bilko
bilko
Comments: 120
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 07:50 pm
Yes I think it is necessary to say something about the ever increasing number of 'touched up'photographs being used to advertise dogs from top kennels and breeders.It's fraud!This is a beautiful dog so why does his photographs need to be touched?Give us credit and let us look at the real thing.
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
Was this really necesary, Bilko? Get over it!
bilko
bilko
Comments: 120
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 07:50 pm
Maybe the Altenberger Land 'artist' can touch up this photo to look like Ando?
GSDs
Comments: 29
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:14 am
Good on you July, sorry about the duplication before. I didn't think the first comment worked.
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
I tried to change back the picture, but another one is already in queue, so there is somebody there tring to fix this.
GSDs
Comments: 29
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:14 am
I agree with the comments about the picture. What an insult to Ando. If a newcomer comes onto Database they will wonder what is the matter with the judges if they could possible award this animal VA. Hopefully the people that have the power to update the pictures will hurry and get the nice picture of Ando back up.

Tut, tut to the person that did this. Hopefully it was an accident.
GSDs
Comments: 29
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:14 am
I agree with the comments about the picture. What an insult to Ando. I would hope that someone puts the correct picture up ASAP just in case a new person comes onto the Database. They will think judging is a joke if an animal like the one they have up as Ando at the moment could possibly be a VA animal. Tut, tut to the person that has done it. Hopefully it was an accident???
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
It's totally stupid of someone to deliberately put up a wrong photo of Ando.The number plates are from a state in India.
Schaeferhund
Comments: 143
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:00 am
I don't recognize the number plates ;)
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
Unbelievable!!! Who did this? And, especially, WHY?
Double B
Comments: 73
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:41 am
Who put this wrong picture to Ando. Seems like someone is envy.
Ron Hudson
Ron Hudson
Comments: 74
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:10 pm
I could look at his picture all day and never become tired or bored.
Ole
Comments: 51
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 08:44 pm
Great to see him in the VA. All honour to Mr. Orschler for bringing the Cary v Fiemereck line back.
Dyanesh
Comments: 86
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:08 am
Very good picture!!! Superb dog!!!
Double B
Comments: 73
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:41 am
Finnaly a wonderful true picture of Ando. Very impressiv dog.
zoetxu
Comments: 1
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:36 am
I like very much this unknwon and marvellous dog.
Maybe has extrem backs angulations, but is a dog really good.
I have other better image of that day and Ando seems even better.
I have read something about the use of photoshop but I have other signed photo (from a magazine) and even is darker.

He looks wonderful, watching fast only the photos I said who is this dog???? In my opinion he is the best among the males of Ulm


Schaeferhund
Comments: 143
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:00 am
That is a better picture, imho. :)
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
to Wiehenalle: ,,the only successful son of Cary"? well, successful maybe, but definitely not the only beautiful one - check out the Altemberger Land site, at www.altenberger-land.de and you'll find great sons and daughters of Cary, with such homogeneity and unity you rarely find in a progeny group.
Wiehenalle
Comments: 15
Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2003 08:53 pm
Yes,he¿s an alternative male for breeding.because he¿s the only succesfull son of cary
Ole
Comments: 51
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 08:44 pm
I also must say that i like ando, and are very exited for the future, and to see what he can produce. Especially with all of the Ursus and Ulk carrying femails. But i am a little bit concerned about the movement. With all that angulation in the back, that can be a problem.
Shan
Comments: 10
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 09:10 am
Hello Ando|
you dont worry you must becomes the VA at this year you are too good.
my all best wishes just for you
ok bye
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
100% to the point max, Definately true. We only have to wait and watch what happens....He is a very good dog to go without a BIG rateing, but then again all dogs cannot be VA.....right!!? All the best Ando, we are all watching.
max
Comments: 4
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 03:37 pm
"Because Mr Meßler doesn't like Mr Schleuter". This sounds like kindergarden. If he was never shown to him you can't say what had happened. Perhaps it is better to search for reasons by the dog.
It is also interesting that the dog was only SG 14 in the 18-24 month class.
Double B
Comments: 73
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:41 am
Your are right Mr Meßler doesn`t like Mr Schleuter the owner of ando thas the reason why he didn`t show up in 2002
Wiehenalle
Comments: 15
Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2003 08:53 pm
Because Mr.Messler dont like Ando.if he were shown,he hasn¿t became a godd place.
Martin
Comments: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 06:16 pm
Why was he not at BSZS 2002?!
July
July
Comments: 116
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 pm
Ando MUST become VA this year!!!
pat
Comments: 1
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:53 pm
I agree with you Visum, his positive qualities and potential with breeding far outweigh any overangulation talk or worrying about who colored the picture. He is producing fantastic puppies and that is what it's about.
A beautiful dog!!
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
Thankyou, I do understand about the Photoshop. Overangulation can lead upto a lot of problems, I feel a good daughter from him with/without over-angulated hinds (but carrying his genes) would be great to have in ones Kennel as breeding stock...as some dogs are having problems with angulations front and rear!
I observe in the progeney, he is produceing excellent fronts too! for the longest time I had reservations about this now very impressive Dog. power to Ando.
Schaeferhund
Comments: 143
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:00 am
He has and gives overangulated hind, for my taste. He's very well pigmented, but NOTHING like in the picture. But that's common knowledge that all the Altenberger pictures have been photoshoped :)
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
Looks Real good in the picture, also a lot of breeders have used him extensively. In the pictures his progeney look great. How is he doing at the BSZS?
Is he really as dark as he is in the Picture?


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