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jaymesie51

by jaymesie51 on 28 July 2009 - 22:07

it would appear that asking the KC to drop the word alsatian from our breed name has been withdrawn why   who was given the right to do this and by whom it would seem that our so called one voice really is only one voice so who's voice is it we all have a right to know    How can something which has been voted on and passed be dropped
jim h


by Penny on 28 July 2009 - 22:07

Hi Jim,
At the breed council meeting on Saturday it seemed just the opposite.  A report was made from the people dealing with the Kennel Club on all issues, who said that they had agreed in principal to drop the name Alsation.   Later on under A.O.B. it seemed as if there was a bit of a thought that the K.C. were holding this decision for now pending some other agreements......  but I didnt get the impression that it had been withdrawn.    Mo - Mascani.

jaymesie51

by jaymesie51 on 29 July 2009 - 06:07

I really hope that is true Mo because the people dealing with the KC have to realize that they represent the gsd breed as a whole and not their own agenda's they must go forward with what has been passed and not cow tow to the KC and accept less
jim h

by paulie on 29 July 2009 - 13:07

Hi Jim. 


    As you were, because my source is backtracking, he tells me there must have been something lost in the translation, thats the worst with Gossip and Chinese whispers.
  Regards Paul.

by Penny on 30 July 2009 - 15:07

Hi Paul, thanks for the comment re chinese whispers. I certainly didnt ask this proposal to be dropped regarding the name. It never was a proposal, it was an issue that went to the KC with the GSD Partnership..., and were told by the KC that this could be an "early win" as there were no real problems with dropping Alsation/an. This was told to us by Joe Summerhill early on the Agenda in his presentation regarding the meeting with the KC. This led me to think that to drop the name would be great and a would phase out the two types in any case. Then West Yorks proposal came up, to accredit the dogs rather than the breeder, and it was another fantastic opportunity to phase out two breeds and the un checked health wise dogs - and puppy farmers in a way,  in a two tier system to start with.... and then also Brian Wootton did a write up about the split in the Breed - and it sort of said, as is his thoughts -  that to split if it came about, was almost condoning some of these animals, called Alsations into a breed of their own so affording them the chance to multiply. - it gave me the reasons x 3 to say ........

l.work is being done with the KC - drop the word Alsation.

2.Proposal by West Yorks received well - again, would rule out Alsations -

3.Brians comment .... yes, why should they get a breed status of their own when they are so incorrect and do no health checks....

so .......when it came down to our proposal for the split, I felt that the 8 weeks lapse in voting, since it was put on the previous agenda had brought about such changes, that it was no longer the best option and idea for the  GSD as it should be, to go down that route. Better ideas to tighten up our standard and type had superceded it,    Hope folk thought it the right decision, I`m sure I will find out now !!   Mo - Mascani.

By the way - other important points from the meeting proved most certainly in my mind, that if we dont start to "police" ourselves in an adult manner, the K.C. will do it for us, and it wont be pleasant or an easy ride.

jaymesie51

by jaymesie51 on 30 July 2009 - 19:07

Hi Mo i hope i am understanding your last post correctly   this is what i gather from what you are saying

We are going to the KC with these mandates

1 the word alsation will be dropped from our registrations
2 the acceptance of a two teir registration system
3 that the sceme be called the GSD accredited scheme (not the KC scheme) 
4 and we will get mandatory health screening done through this scheme

well thats what i take from it anyway            if this is what we all want then we have to persue it to the end and be 100%
jim h

by Penny on 30 July 2009 - 19:07

Hi Jim,
That is the gist of it, but be sure, when you are at a Breed Cpuncil meeting, the fog comes down and things are NOT as clear as you would like them to be.  

However, one thing I am sure of is that the mandate  to the K.C. has already been Alsation dropped from the name, and agreed in principal, I understood.   Dissappointing to find that there may be "bargaining" to put it bluntly, but it seemed that although it was agreed at some point in principal, it was under scored by bargain points -that wasnt pleasing, but Bill Lambert was there from the KC whilst this was all discussed.
definately West Yorks proposal was brilliantly put, and agreed to be a sound move to get the correct type of GSD with all relevant health checks in place as the top tier for people to be looking out for - and there was talk of a purple registration for puppies of surveyed parents and much publicity to let Joe Public know that parentage was worthy of survey and health checks, therefore giving the puppy a purple registration form -
I think you got it right that is was to be called the GSD Accredited scheme, and perhaps other breeds would follow suit, so making the accreditation worthy on the dog, not the person that pays his £15 to join and £10 yearly, devoid of his/her circumstas until theyget chcked by the K.C> - which is happening of course, but slowly.
Mandatory health screening will need to be done if parents are having to be surveyed to get these purple pedigrees and accredited pups and dogs.....

I know.... sounds like Eutopia and am sure I will have notched up a few more years before it gets to fruition, but this sort of thing if it is progressed and pushed fervently, and without relent - will lead to the GSD nd the breeders of those particular dogs have everight to call themselves accredited.

Mr Brandon and two of his friends attended the meeting, and were visibly not pleased that our proposal regarding the split was withdrawn, in fact, they left the meeting - but I wished he had seen the sense of why I did so.  It was that much better forward thinking plans had been broughtto the table since the inception of B`hams proposal - and if we dont progress and look at each others plans and recognise a better one, then we stagnate, and have dogs of sub-standard quality.
Mo - Mascani
 


by svbc1 on 30 July 2009 - 20:07

The public will still think the two Accredited schemes are one in the same as I did when I was first asked about it.

by Penny on 31 July 2009 - 15:07

Simple to make it the same system if the K.C. wsh to carry on the A.B.S. - which I am sure they would..... make any "Accredited Breeder have "Accredited Dogs" to breed from or not be accepted.  At present, you can get away with just hip scoring your animals and microchipping to  satisfy the breeder scheme, its not enough......    Mo

by Member on 31 July 2009 - 16:07

Hello Mo, good meeting well attended and some very positive comments from both us and the KC.  Where I see a problem with the Accredited Breeder Scheme with the Kennel Club and the Scheme we require is that we want all our Sire`s and Dam`s to be Breed Council Surveyed and therefore  produce accredited litters with a different colour registration to show they are worthy. The Kennel Club are working on the fact that to get a different colour registration you need to be an Accredited Breeder which is the scheme they currently run , with maybe a few more health checks. Should they decide to take up our proposal , then unless all the other breeds start to survey their dogs they would only be able to run a two tier system and a different colour registration with us and our GSD`s.  I cannot see them doing this for just one breed in isolation, I hope I have explained myself as I see this as the problem we face while waiting and expecting the new two tier system to be granted in the way we expect  in the future.
John Ward






 


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