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by stephcivi on 02 September 2020 - 14:09

@Hired dog why thank you 🤗 I do appreciate truths. I'm the same way very blunt to a fault at times. Good choice to stay off social media. Your puppy sounds lovely. I LOVE the GSD breed. I have one rescue Gsd that is the most amazing girl ever. I know nothing about her background, except she likes to chase fireworks 🤦🏼‍♀️ 40 year's of experience! that's epic love it...  I have few responses for Zena's stud post. I want to be able to breed her with a male that has a great pedigree, * but one who can compliment her. 

by ValK on 03 September 2020 - 01:09

in the world isn't shortfall of german shepherd dogs but scarcity of truly good dogs among them.
what makes you think that dogs from your breeding gonna be among best and not just another bunch among already inflated mediocre stock?

by Hired Dog on 03 September 2020 - 06:09

Valk, what is best is very subjective and depends on what one wants and needs. If I were looking for a police dog, for example, that breeding may not give me what I need. If I were looking for a companion out of an animal, something to take for walks and such, it may give me that and for ME, THAT is the best.
Speaking for me, personally, as long as a dog is stable, I mean, rock solid in the head, I am very happy, unless I am looking for a dog to perform a specific job, then obviously more is demanded.
If I were into competing in IPO or whatever they call it today, I would be looking for a dog that is able to do that and that dog may not make a good police dog or a good companion dog, but, its the BEST dog for ME and my purpose.

by ValK on 03 September 2020 - 10:09

sure preferences are subjective thingy. unfortunately most dog owners willing to turn blind eye on dog's shortfall just because it's their dog and ofcourse, it is a best dog ever. i don't talking about unscrupulous breeders. it's about people, who fell in love with breed but lacking experience and knowledge of breed's fundamental specific.
there are topic where someone provides list and asking advice on which stud dog would be best for a bitch which demonstrate aggression but is skittish to extend it through action. OP seems even ready to go into significant expenses to provide mating, ignoring fact that such effort will end in the vain. innate faults sometimes can be corrected/suppressed by training but by passing them to descendants even mixing genes with best dog - never.
in another topic someone ready to mate their bitches with clearly seen physically deficient dogs just because it would provide officially proven DDR legacy of this breeding and without concern that such mating will produce dogs for someone seeing them as gorgeous looking dogs but in fact descendants will be handicapped dogs.

by Hired Dog on 03 September 2020 - 11:09

Valk, I, just like you, have a hard time accepting that the breeding of working dogs should be ANYTHING, but, the breeding of working dogs, end of, however, and I have had to learn this, kicking and screaming, we do not live in a society where we can force our dictates upon others to do as we think is correct.
People will breed dogs for whatever reason they want and feel like, most of the time not based on reality, but, they do breed them and they do sell.
Today Valk, people are not looking for working animals, they are looking for a dog that looks beautiful walking down the street, looks like it may be capable of protecting someone, but, mostly they are looking for a pet they can hug while watching TV.
I have had to accept this, again, kicking and screaming, and at the expense of pulling back from the dog scene, but, either I realize and accept this reality, or, I get worked up for nothing because people will do as they like at the end of the day.


by Koots on 03 September 2020 - 11:09

An expression came to mind while reading this post - "you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". In the context of breeding dogs, this would translate to - you cannot get great dogs from mediocre (or less) dogs. If anyone wants to breed great dogs, they must start with great dogs, bitch even more so, then select a genetically/physically good mate for bitch. I would urge ANYONE who wants to get into breeding to ask themselves this: What is my goal for breeding, and does my bitch exemplify the breed standard & have enough great traits that makes her breeding-worthy.

BTW, I am not a breeder, as I feel that, even after many years in schutzhund and the GSD, that I do not yet have enough knowledge.   Back when I started sport, some of the great dogs were Mike/Umsa Bungalow, Gildo Korbelbach, etc.


by stephcivi on 04 September 2020 - 13:09


Save your innuendos, and assumptions for someone else got it! **** ***


by Hundmutter on 04 September 2020 - 14:09

Hired Dog, so true !


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