Would you breed a dog whos 0/0 for elbow and hips but both parents are a2 fast normal - Page 2

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by xPyrotechnic on 14 May 2020 - 18:05

thanks for the help it gives me an insight as to how breeders view elbows and hips when looking to breed. I checked the parents siblings hip and elbow score only from the dams side she has a sibling that is also a2 fast normal but for me the good that would come from breeding this dog would outweigh the risks


by Hundmutter on 15 May 2020 - 03:05

TY to Jenni; that is exactly the sort of clarity I was looking for.

Jenn, I think other breeders ought to be following your example and keeping as much track of results as they can - obvs it depends partly on co-operation from your buyers keeping in touch, and some research time on your part. And I recognise that a proportion of them will not go on to X ray, because if they don't have problems and are not going to breed they don't see any need. But being able to access that info would help some responsible breeders to make the sort of decision implied by this thred.

Can only guess how many would read this and want to bother themselves, though.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 16 May 2020 - 16:05

I would NOT make the statement about the rest of the litter, as you are not breeding them now do you, with todays outcrossing culture, its like shooting hail instead of straight bullets, every pup in litter will have very different gene package, so focus on the dog you want to breed with, furthermore, a lot of hips is non genetic so if parents have clean hips its no problem to me


Outcrossing isn't new though. It just has a name now.  My Dad used to outcross into Showlines and then linebreed right back into his own bloodline.  The closest linebreeding he has done was Wotan Baerenfang. Outcrossing is essential if you want  to keep good diversity, yet be able to linebreed on your own dogs. The issue I'm seeing is that people outcross but then don't follow through with a specific program or don't plan enough ahead what they are actually trying to achieve. 

by duke1965 on 17 May 2020 - 02:05

BE, many breedclubs dont allow closer linebreeding as done in the past, and outcrossing is promoted as it "seems " to create healthyer dogs, which is actually a fairytale,as you have lower risk in your F1 generation for doubling up on bad (and good ) genetics, you actually dont loose or get rid of the bad genetics in your dog or its offspring, so the risk of the problem popping up later will remain

when your dad outcrossed to a showline I bet they were quite different than the majority of showlines today LOL


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