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emoryg

by emoryg on 12 December 2019 - 16:12

That video only shows a glimpse of what all transpired. The bodycams that caught the entire incident paint a better picture of how the events unfolded. From everything I looked at, the handler was operating within the guidelines of the department’s policy and the dog was responding as he had been trained. This should allow the handler to be granted immunity from the lawsuit. That’s always a top priority. These legal actions can go after your house, your bank account and everything else of value you may own, and the handler shouldn’t have to endure the hardship that comes with these lawsuits. There is always a rare exception, but K-9 handlers do not use the police dog out of spite, revenge or personal satisfaction. Looking at all the information I have, it could go either way on that department paying out due to the bite policy they had implemented. My guess is they will eventually settle and change policy.

yogidog

by yogidog on 12 December 2019 - 20:12

Hire you are missing my point I agree with you in some of what you say. Bad genetic bad training and so on. How many dog trainers have you seen selling this dogs that fit every different sanareo except the real life one. like the Mali in the video picked up still hold the bite looks fantastic.that is the point I'm making is most dogs the general public are receiving full trained have never had the tests that confirmed the dog wiil do the job. There use to be a member here that payed members of the general public 100 dollars to take a bite. The bits were not prity the decoy wasn't good but the dog never fails to engage. No matter what way the fight was thrown at him always in a new place were house, playground anywhere you can think and with random people. So apple it does work and don't pick little pussy that can't stand his ground that is the only job you have in this part. 😉😉. Alot of members will know who I'm talking about. 🙈🙈 With this person

by ValK on 12 December 2019 - 21:12

duke
no problem with sport titles and other stuff.
it's just question - how those dogs was picked (was civilians allowed to make own pick or should take what they was given)?
also i'm pretty sure the dog, who's everyday on routine work in isolated location, won't be brought on field for trial in purpose to title in sport discipline, which worth nothing in field of utilization of that dog.

apple
i don't know that dog personally and don't have anything with his testing to prove he is good in fight.
on another hands you also don't have anything to prove contrary.
so why you so stubbornly harangue about that dog?
just say you don't like dog and done. no one will have heart attack or die.

by Centurian on 12 December 2019 - 22:12

Yogi For whatever this is worth in reference to your comments : When we tested the dog for real life biting we had the dog bite us as we would present in different ways in life , different everyday situations / cicumstances with the dog seeing us as strangers never having been introduced to ther dog prior to the evaluation .- that is to say , they were not familiar with us at all . For example , we would dress in suits , not bite suits, I mean a three piece fashion suits [with under protection of course ] .

...... " the point I'm making is most dogs the general public are receiving full trained have never had the tests that confirmed the dog wiil do the job. "

What you write is true and this reminds me of how many people think their GS will bite for real and protect them when needed ... and most of us here writing on this thread , know what the truth is concerning that notion ..

by duke1965 on 13 December 2019 - 00:12

centurian, if a dog will protect and bite for real, regardless what breed, totally depends on the genetics first, and how it is developed secondly, but I can guarantee that a dog needs more than prey/posession and "staying on the bite " to be protective

Hired dog, its not about breed, but about drives, what would one find ideal balance of drives for a policedog, both for handler to work with and for functioning on the street, 


by Hired Dog on 13 December 2019 - 04:12

Yogi, with 90%, plus of dogs, regardless of genetics or training, you will have no idea if they will bite for real until it happens. That goes for personal protection dogs, police dogs, etc.
Sure, everyone hopes and believes that their dog will actually engage a human in a real life encounter, it would be nice, but, again, until it happens, preferably with the bad guy wearing just his underwear, they dont really know.

I dont know the person you speak of, but, you would have to be an idiot to get bitten by a dog for $100. I heard stories of different ways people would test their dogs to see, but, I have never actually seen it first hand nor do I want to repeat them in here.

by Hired Dog on 13 December 2019 - 06:12

One more thing...its not training that will make a dog bite, its genetics. Mike Tyson would fight you before he became World champion because he had the aggression and the desire to fight a person, training simply gave him the tools of how to do it better in the context of a ring with rules.
People speak of training, but, I have seen trained dogs that were hesitant to engage something out of their comfort zone and I have seen dogs with zero training that were very willing to bite whatever you put in front of them, any time, anywhere.
Yes, those dogs are the exception and I say that because you need to balance everything else out. I believe that everyone who has an interest in a dog biting seeks that perfect balance, a dog that will bite anytime, anywhere against anyone, but, its also something that one can live with on a daily basis and not stress.

by apple on 13 December 2019 - 06:12

Valk,
I don't like that dog.

by Centurian on 13 December 2019 - 07:12

Duke ..... All dogs bite for real ... that is what dogs do - they bite since they lack hands , given the right context and even if that is only one context :-) . However , what you are trying to say and your message is valid. What I am stressing is that it is the the entire Temperament and the Character of the dog thatis what lends a dog to bite for real . Genetics are a given and fixed , but Character can be changed , enhanced or diminished. Any and every behavior has an environmental and a genetic component to it - Always . The difference is the degree to which each of those components contribute to that behavior. Yes , you have to have , in non academic terms , what it takes to be a fighter in order to fight . A dog needs those attributes [ tmeperament] inherently [ genetically in make up] that lend it to bite in certain situations and contexts - In this repsect I am in ageement with you .

Duke wriyes :
"....Hired dog, its not about breed, but about drives, what would one find ideal balance of drives for a policedog, both for handler to work with and for functioning on the street, " Duke yes ....better written as Temperament rather than using the words ' Drives ' . 'Drives ' is very very non specific and seems to covey more an intention . As I just wrote behavior is governed by more than just intention . A better way of saying what your notion is , is to use the word ' temperament' , which refers to specific genetic traits !

yogidog

by yogidog on 13 December 2019 - 07:12

Mick Tyson was bullyed as a kid use to hide from bullying. Hire. Listen to the pod cast with Joe rogan. And that is why he never came back from defeat. 😉😉 I know my combat sports I'm also I also have an excellent background in martial arts over 30 years





 


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