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by apple on 12 December 2019 - 09:12

I disagree. For one thing, a properly trained dog has been trained to target different areas of the body. A novice decoy will know nothing about challenging the dog so that he doesn't have access to the areas a dog has been taught to target. An untrained decoy will have no presence and will likely be afraid and essentially freeze up presenting no challenge to the dog. Real bites for good dogs that are well trained are generally very easy because the typical person being bit is going to be afraid and feel helpless making it easier for the dog to dominate the person. It is when the dog faces an extremely large or strong person, who might be on certain drugs or mentally ill, or psychopathic and wants to harm the dog, or even try to escape the bite, that the dog is challenged. A novice decoy is essentially a test dummy in a suit. The person in the video I posted decoying the dog has tested thousands of dogs including podium KNPV dogs (which usually aren't the strongest, but are still often much better than average) and has run many of those dogs. A novice could never do that and discover a dog's true weaknesses.

yogidog

by yogidog on 12 December 2019 - 09:12

You are in tilted to disagree. Targeting is for a dog that hasn't the balls to take the risk to grab anyone any where and be confident. A yes I'm going to test my dogs off a person's that are afraid of dog. Most dog these days won't bite unless something is presented to them I call it a gift bite 😉. When I have my dogs working I want the dog to bite every where target is for a sports dog. Iv see dogs halter ther action because arm is not available. Hesitation in a bite will get a dog hurt or killed.

by Hired Dog on 12 December 2019 - 10:12

Yogi, I have also seen dogs refuse a bite because an arm was not available or a sleeve was not present, but, that is the wrong dog genetically and perhaps crappy training.
I have never trained a dog to bite, ever. I have trained many on when to bite and how to release. You are correct, if the dog refuses to engage when told, without hesitation, people and dog can get hurt. As far as targeting, I believe that a dog should be trained to bite when is closest to its mouth and be taught that it can bite a back, a tricep, a leg, etc, but, that will take training and repetition to allow the dog's mind to accept that its perfectly ok to bite these areas.
Again, I am going based on the notion above that I have never trained a dog to bite or want to bite. Now, in these days of happy lawsuits and lawyers who are better educated on training and deployment of dogs then most trainers and handlers are, I think you will have a really hard time explaining in court why your dog bit the bad guy in the balls or his face and a glib answer of, "well, they were sticking out first", will not cut it, therefore, targeting is not just for sport dogs.

by apple on 12 December 2019 - 10:12

Teaching targeting decreases the chances of hesitation because the dog is conditioned to immediately go for various areas instead of having to think about it. If those areas are not available, which is unlikely if the dog has been taught to target bicep, forearm, upper and lower legs and triceps, a genetically correct dog will be so motivated to bite, he will find some area to bite. Also, the areas taught to target are areas that dogs can secure the best grip adding to his confidence in dominating the person. And as HD pointed out, these days with cameras everywhere and a snowflake mentality, a dog biting someone's nose off is likely to have some problems if it goes to court, even for LE.

by apple on 12 December 2019 - 10:12

Teaching targeting decreases the chances of hesitation because the dog is conditioned to immediately go for various areas instead of having to think about it. If those areas are not available, which is unlikely if the dog has been taught to target bicep, forearm, upper and lower legs and triceps, a genetically correct dog will be so motivated to bite, he will find some area to bite. Also, the areas taught to target are areas that dogs can secure the best grip adding to his confidence in dominating the person. And as HD pointed out, these days with cameras everywhere and a snowflake mentality, a dog biting someone's nose off is likely to have some problems if it goes to court, even for LE.

yogidog

by yogidog on 12 December 2019 - 10:12

Iv see decoys lying on the ground in sleeping bags and the dogs had no targets. Stud barking and didn't know what to do. A dog number one must want to bite. Wiling a to engage any part of the body with nothing presented. Other wise you have a problem with your dog. So that shows targeting do not stop hesitations. All you have done is train a dog to look for something and if not the freeze. I see it all before

by apple on 12 December 2019 - 10:12

I assume you do the bite work with decoys in sleeping bags on leash.

by Hired Dog on 12 December 2019 - 11:12

Yogi, a genetically correct dog that has been properly selected will bite you if you if you were in a corner, hanging upside down like a fruit bat, in a sleeping bag, under a car, etc.
What your example shows Yogi is that the proper dog was not selected. Again, we do not train dogs to bite, we allow them to do it and targeting as I explained to you before does work in a dog's mind.

hardinna

by hardinna on 12 December 2019 - 11:12



by duke1965 on 12 December 2019 - 12:12

apple, dog in your video can be a big crapper as well, many preydriven dogs(malinois) have no problems with pressure when in drive and on the bite,,but fall apart when pressured out of drive and pressured before on the bite, im not impressed by that work at all

most bad responses on the work of the GSD in the video are made from a sporty point of view, im training dogs now for a terrorist unit, and I DONT want them to stay in the fight so to speak, and dont want legbites, as those are the things that will get them killed quickly






 


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